Woman Writes

So I get this recommendation from Lovegrove to check out Galadrial. In my mind, I’m thinking: Oh, great. What the hello am I gonna be readin now? Well, it turns out Ms. G. was a bit upset about men settin the rules for women’s you-know-whats. (That’s actually a really lame, brief and narrow summation of an intelligent and well-written post).

On my first read through, I figured this must be some crazy-assed Jane Fonda type. On my second read, I was drawn back to a favourite show…. I heard the lines in my head: “Oh, Zephyr winds which blow so high, lift me now so I can fly! Oh, Mighty Isis, Isis, Isis!” Dang! Television used to be so good. After Isis it was Electra Woman and Dyna Girl on Saturday mornings. I can still sing the theme song… Gah! Wonder if youtube has that! Let me see…. I’m off on a tangent…. What the hello was I talking about?

Oh, yeah. Talking about sex. The female sex. The uterus and its capabilities to reproduce. Three’s the charm for Kells. It kinda clicked on the third read. (Yes, I’m slower than most, but can we please keep that on the down low, as in so low you don’t know?) I’m fully aware of the number of men to women ratio in government at the local, state, and federal level. So, yes, I’m also aware that states are implementing some very interesting things for women to do in order to sidestep Obamacare. Personally, I think both sides are wrong.

I reckon it’s time for that favourite game of mine: What if?

1) What if you had a female Congress pass a bill banning Viagra and Cialis? (We find the following drugs to be most disturbing in that the virility of the male is very likely to impregnate the female).

2) What if you had a female Congress pass an anti-pornography bill? (We will not allow men to view pornography as studies have shown that their sperm becomes most active and is therefore a likely hazard for fertile women).

3) What if you had a female Congress decide your Dr. appts? (Because they carry the life seed, we have now implemented measures to ensure that men shall come in bi-weekly for a prostate and anal exam. The state must be fully aware of your virility. Hell, we can’t afford not to).

4) What if you had a female Congress tell you when you could procreate? (Due to lack of funding, any man earning $12k per year or less must set an appt. to get snipped. Just remember, boys; it’s for your country).

 

 

Look; I’m not for abortion. But I’m also not for an intrusive government. Oh, I almost forgot:

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50 thoughts on “Woman Writes

  1. Kells, I read your post with great interest and I’m not quite sure I understood it. It seemed to be part abortion presenting both prolife and pro-abortion perspectives. It was part women’s rights, and part male bashing. It wasn’t until I read the very last line that I realized your position on abortion, but even then you seem unsure.
    I’ve state several times I struggle with the issue of abortion. I see both sides but I have yet to come to terms with myself and my beliefs as a Christian over this issue. I argue with myself about it, but usually I come down on the side of it being the woman’s right to decide. Now I’m not referring anywhere in the post to government-funded abortion which I am four-square against!
    I was driving down from Marianna yesterday and happened upon Glen Beck’s radio show. He was loudly and gleefully (as he is wont to do) bashing Joy Behar on a point of view she had put forth. On The View, she had been holding court over Texas HB 15 which requires a woman considering an abortion to have a transvaginal sonogram if she is eight to ten weeks pregnant. This is an invasive procedure where a camera is inserted into a woman’s vagina to try to see a fetus, zygote, reproductive tissue, baby, etc. The procedure has not been proven to be 100% accurate depending upon where the fetus is located in the womb.
    HB 15 was sponsored by State Representative Sid (Sonogram Bill) Miller, Republican. Now, as I’ve stated, I struggle with the abortion issue, but I also struggle with any governmental body; federal, state, local, making new laws that allow this type of access to my person or property. Hell, I’m not even sure this law doesn’t violate the 4th Amendment. There are also the issues of who will pay for this lawfully mandated procedure; will it be covered by Medicaid, insurance, or Obamacare? Will only certain doctors perform the procedure. What will be the result/penalty for a woman who has the procedure and decides to have the abortion anyway.
    Truthfully, this bill, much like the Florida Welfare Drug Testing Program solves nothing. It is designed to provide that “all women considering abortion should be given complete information about the child growing inside them, as well as other medically relevant information prior to choosing to have an abortion. These bills seeks to empower and protect women on this issue.”

    To that I say “BS”.

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/mar/10/carol-alvarado/state-rep-carol-alvarado-says-women-who-are-10-wee/

    http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=43616

  2. I’ve tried to respond to this a couple of time. Maybe it will show up in a few minutes. It may show up twice or not at all. If it doesn’t, I’ll try again.

  3. kells, I read your post with great interest and I’m not quite sure I understood it. It seemed to be part abortion presenting both prolife and pro-abortion perspectives. It appears to be part women’s rights, and part male bashing. It wasn’t until I read the very last line that I realized your position on abortion, but even then you seem unsure.
    I’ve state several times I struggle with the issue of abortion. I see both sides but I have yet to come to terms with myself and my beliefs as a Christian over this issue. I argue with myself about it, but usually I come down on the side of it being the woman’s right to decide. Now I’m not referring anywhere in the post to government-funded abortion which I am four-square against!
    I was driving down from Marianna yesterday and happened upon Glen Beck’s radio show. He was loudly and gleefully (as he is wont to do) bashing Joy Behar on a point of view she had put forth. On The View, she had been holding court over Texas HB 15 which requires a woman considering an abortion to have a transvaginal sonogram if she is eight to ten weeks pregnant. This is an invasive procedure where a camera is inserted into a woman’s vagina to try to see a fetus, zygote, reproductive tissue, baby, etc. The procedure has not been proven to be 100% accurate depending upon where the fetus is located in the womb.
    HB 15 was sponsored by State Representative Sid (Sonogram Bill) Miller, Republican. Now, as I’ve stated, I struggle with the abortion issue, but I also struggle with any governmental body; federal, state, local, making new laws that allow this type of access to my person or property. Hell, I’m not even sure this law doesn’t violate the 4th Amendment. There are also the issues of who will pay for this lawfully mandated procedure; will it be covered by Medicaid, insurance, or Obamacare? Will only certain doctors perform the procedure? What will be the result/penalty for a woman who has the procedure and decides to have the abortion anyway?
    Truthfully, this bill, much like the Florida Welfare Drug Testing Program solves nothing. According to ol’ Sonogram Bill, the bill is designed to provide that “all women considering abortion should be given complete information about the child growing inside them, as well as other medically relevant information prior to choosing to have an abortion. These bills seeks to empower and protect women on this issue.”

    To that I say “BS”.

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/mar/10/carol-alvarado/state-rep-carol-alvarado-says-women-who-are-10-wee/

    http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=43616

  4. Galadrial from the Lord of the Rings? What does that have to do with a woman’s body part?

    You are going to have to clarify (an actual credible source would be fantastic) before anyone can intelligently join this topic.

    Thanks.

    • Oh, brother. Another sci-fi geek.
      She’s just a writer like you. But I’ll give credit where credit’s due.

      Shall I post that little number we did in the 70’s? It shows how well you auger, augger. Probably a smart thing, adding another G to your name. I’m quite sure nobody will ever guess that it was you doing the boring.

      Shhh… best to keep quiet on this one……..*sigh* …….. good times……

  5. black3acutal is going to attempt to post a reply I wrote to kells in a bit. The reply he will post for me is mine and mine only and in no way is meant to represent his opinion or position. I simply cannot get it to post.

    floridacracker49

    • B. needs to pull his weight around here. He’s got great articles and he’s far more intelligent and articulate than I. He’s just being (cheerleader mode) L-A-Z-Y! He ain’t got no alibi! He’s lazy! Yea! Yea! He’s lazy!

  6. I’m about to be home as my son has broken his wrist. I have an awful ti me trying to post from my .phone.

    I hope you boys are getting a feel of what the female in society is deqalt….

    • Let me try to fix your scope, sweet angel baby: Men are the majority and women are the target. How does it escape you that it takes two to Tango? Surely you must see that women don’t magically become pregnant? And yet there are no govt. rules or regs. placed on the male. Are you with me so far?

  7. Posted by the request of Floridacracker (who is apparently having genuine technical difficulties with the RNL’s system):

    kells, I read your post with great interest and I’m not quite sure I understood it. It seemed to be part abortion presenting both prolife and pro-abortion perspectives. It appears to be part women’s rights, and part male bashing. It wasn’t until I read the very last line that I realized your position on abortion, but even then you seem unsure.
    I’ve state several times I struggle with the issue of abortion. I see both sides but I have yet to come to terms with myself and my beliefs as a Christian over this issue. I argue with myself about it, but usually I come down on the side of it being the woman’s right to decide. Now I’m not referring anywhere in the post to government-funded abortion which I am four-square against!
    I was driving down from Marianna yesterday and happened upon Glen Beck’s radio show. He was loudly and gleefully (as he is wont to do) bashing Joy Behar on a point of view she had put forth. On The View, she had been holding court over Texas HB 15 which requires a woman considering an abortion to have a transvaginal sonogram if she is eight to ten weeks pregnant. This is an invasive procedure where a camera is inserted into a woman’s vagina to try to see a fetus, zygote, reproductive tissue, baby, etc. The procedure has not been proven to be 100% accurate depending upon where the fetus is located in the womb.
    HB 15 was sponsored by State Representative Sid (Sonogram Bill) Miller, Republican. Now, as I’ve stated, I struggle with the abortion issue, but I also struggle with any governmental body; federal, state, local, making new laws that allow this type of access to my person or property. Hell, I’m not even sure this law doesn’t violate the 4th Amendment. There are also the issues of who will pay for this lawfully mandated procedure; will it be covered by Medicaid, insurance, or Obamacare? Will only certain doctors perform the procedure? What will be the result/penalty for a woman who has the procedure and decides to have the abortion anyway?
    Truthfully, this bill, much like the Florida Welfare Drug Testing Program solves nothing. According to ol’ Sonogram Bill, the bill is designed to provide that “all women considering abortion should be given complete information about the child growing inside them, as well as other medically relevant information prior to choosing to have an abortion. These bills seeks to empower and protect women on this issue.”

    To that I say “BS”.

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/mar/10/carol-alvarado/state-rep-carol-alvarado-says-women-who-are-10-wee/

    http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=43616

      • One clarification on my post – the transvaginal sonogram is not a “camera” to “look for” a fetus, etc. It is, as the name indicates, a sonogram produces sound waves to echo off the fetus, and produces a “picture” of the fetus for the abortion prospect to see. Sorry if I mis-stated an obivious fact, however the invasive procedure of inserting a sonogram device into the vagina is the method.

  8. Well Kells, seems your tone has taken a bit of turn with the addition of this topic. Your post clearly lacks sources for the sake of credibility for example …

    “Men are the majority and women are the target.”

    Let’s truncate a bit for the sake of vetting the disingenuous base …

    “Men are the majority”

    Let’s examine …

    Census 2010 shows that females outnumber males 50.8% to 49.2. You can find this at http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf and view the data for yourself.

    As long as this topic remains disingenuous at its onset, there is no intelligent way anyone can participate in it. As I said earlier, come back with some credible data, and then we can discuss this rationally.

    Fair enough?

    • If you read the article, I referred to men being in the majority of govt. in local, state, and federal levels.

      So, my sweet little cupcake, my inference of “men are the majority” was meant to reference that. I do apologise for confusing you. I seem to be rather adept at it, unfortunately….

  9. So I get this recommendation from Lovegrove to check out Galadrial.

    Hi Kells, do you have the link to the article?

    I’m fully aware of the number of men to women ratio in government at the local, state, and federal level.

    Mark Perry has a great post on this topic.

    In short, when women decide to run for office, they do as well as men when you measure votes, win/loss or money raised. For some reason, women simply don’t wanna run.

    What if you had a female Congress pass a bill banning Viagra and Cialis?

    Not having read the article, lemme take a shot.

    I think that banning a drug related to sexual health is wrong headed. With that said, I have no problem, and would support to be honest, with the government refusing to make insurance companies offer that drug for free or mandate that it be covered in all policies.

    What if you had a female Congress pass an anti-pornography bill?

    Again, same kind of argument. Banning porn isn’t useful. However, forcing people to “consume” porn wouldn’t be something we want either. Nor do we want to mandate porn be covered in insurance policies.

    What if you had a female Congress decide your Dr. appts?

    I don’t think that we want government mandating Dr. appointments. But without the article, I am sure I’m missing the point on this.

    What if you had a female Congress tell you when you could procreate?

    And we certainly don’t want the government deciding if, when or with whom to procreate. On the other hand, once two individuals HAVE decided to take the steps that lead to procreation, we kinda wanna restrict the decision to “undue” that in certain circumstances.

    Again, I may be off base due to not having the article to determine context.

    • Pino; my article is mine. Her article only got me to thinking. I am using humourous examples to prove a point. FL (through B3A) pretty much nailed it on the head above.

      Women hold 90, or 16.8%, of the 535 seats in the 112th US Congress.

      I guess my point is:

      Why is the female violated by the govt., but not the male? I reckon they had nothin to do with it, huh?

      • I hope I did that right……..

        You did, thanks. And now I see that your examples are your own and not drawn from the context of the article.

        One point, I shook my head when I heard that they didn’t have a single woman on the panel or allowed to testify. That isn’t just bad political optics, it’s a stupid way to discuss women’s health.

        Now that I’ve read it, my answers remain close to the same.

        I don’t think the government should restrict contraception or morning after pills. However, I also don’t think that the government can mandate that:

        A. Companies purchase insurance policies that include it.
        B. Companies offer it for free.

        Same thing for doc appointments. However, here the context of the inspiration proves useful. I don’t like the idea of that bill in Texas. Forcing a doctor to perform that procedure isn’t where we wanna be. However, I would like to think that a doctor, being mature and of a larger world view, would consider that an abortion has long ranging consequences and might offer to provide context to the decision.

        The last point seems to touch on the idea of forcing a woman to procreate if she doesn’t wanna. And this is the crux of the whole thing me thinks.

        I would suggest tat most reasonable people would resonate with a woman’s choice when it came to victim of a crime, health of mother or health of child. I’m willing to hazard that most main stream American’s oppose abortion as birth control.

  10. Maybe more women should run for Congress. :)

    Now, let’s turn this a different direction for one second Kells.

    So women should have “the right” abort since it’s “their body” … where does this leave a man who would choose to want that child and raise it? Since it was “his body” that completed fertilization, does he have ANY rights to the product of that procreation?

    People get trampled both ways when government gets involved. :)

  11. Just to set the record straight, when a woman gets an abortion, the doctor must stick his hand into the vagina in order to judge the size of the fetus before preforming the procedure. That’s much more intrusive than an ultrasound transducer put in the same place.

    I might add that I’m dead set against viagra or any other ED being mandated, also.

    • Is there a law that mandates a doctor stick his hand into the vagina to determine the size of the fetus or is this a medical procedure? The embryo is approximately one inch long and about the size of a bean at the 8th week.

      My whole point is that a LAW is not necessary and serves no purpose other than to impose guilt on the woman and perhaps make her think twice about her decision.

      Again, according to the lawmaker (legislator) responsible for this bill;

      “. . . all women considering abortion should be given complete information about the child growing inside them, as well as other medically relevant information prior to choosing to have an abortion. These bills seeks to empower and protect women on this issue.”

      Is this a factual statement?

        • Another fact is, in Texas at least, the government can now force doctors to perform unnecessary procedures that are without medical merit to legislate someone’s view of morality.

      • Here’s where I read about this. Read the whole article, but here’s an excerpt;

        What is the alternative way, other than a sonogram, to judge the approximate size and developmental stage of a human fetus? I will tell you: the nurse practitioner (or doctor, or nurse, or clinic worker) places one hand on top of one’s pelvis, and the other hand in the vagina, and evaluates the size and age of the baby that way.

        There is no way to judge fetal age without putting something into a woman’s vagina, and in most states it’s illegal to perform an abortion without establishing fetal age—it’s just that one technique provides a less accurate, less detailed picture than does the other.

        http://www.conservativecommune.com/2012/02/the-left-an-ultrasounds-kind-of-like-rape-isnt-it/

        • MrgGuy – with all due respect my friend …. bull(censored). What you are attempting to talk about is a pelvic ultrasound primarily used to diagnose ectopic pregnancies, confirm that the fetus is located in the uterus, etc.

          Remember – invasive procedures require signed permission of a patient short of those procedures ordered during a emergency situation where the patient is in a life threatening situation, and does not have the ability to consent.

          Maybe you should stick to your own profession.

          The misinformation in this threat has become too non intellectual for me to continue to follow it. You kids enjoy yourselves with this one.

  12. ” . . . and in most states it’s illegal to perform an abortion without establishing fetal age . . . ”

    Three methods are currently used to determine fetal age; date of last sexual intercourse (not reliable), date of last menstrual period (somewhat reliable if known), and an unintrusive “belly” sonogram. The article you reference merely states age must be established by law, but does not mandate how. This is left up to medical professionals. When the government can mandate by law a device be inserted into anyone for any purpose, it is another loss of personal rights and dignity, and another step toward total government control.

  13. Oh Kells, I just read your post. Sorry I’m coming to the conversation kind of late. I LOVE your what ifs!
    They can site all the numbers they want about how many women are now in congress, but it’s still a man’s world when it comes to a woman’s body. I really don’t know why all the women with power haven’t changed some of these things…maybe politics removes sexuality for some women in the same way it seems to remove brains (and ethics) for some men.

  14. Strange – My posts showed up this morning sometime. The ones posted (by me, not black) early yesterday morning.

    • Strange – My posts showed up this morning sometime. The ones posted (by me, not black) early yesterday morning.

      I suspect that it’s because you posted with multiple links or URLS in the body of the post. A lot of sites are configured to throw that in the spam bucket for later attention. If you can, try to use the HTML tags to imbed the URL.

  15. Anyone ever notice that those that support abortions claiming “it’s their body” are people who were born? Not to mention that they do not want anyone telling them what to do with “Their bodies”, but yet they give no regards to the person who owns the body they are aborting.

    Guess we really do not live in a equal rights for everyone society after all.

    Just saying.

    • Guess we really do not live in a equal rights for everyone society after all.

      I tend to think this whole debate is taking place at the extremes. I’m willing to bet’cha that if you were to sit down to a glass of bourbon with the average American, you would find general consensus.

      I am pretty conservative and hang out with many conservative friends. I’m also very religious and attend church regularly while sending my kids to a Christian private school. However, I know of not one single personal friend, family member or acquaintance who thinks that a woman who was raped should be forced to carry that child to term; everyone I know supports extending her that choice.

      Again, no one that I know would force a woman to risk her own life to complete a pregnancy. A real life example:

      I have two kids. Before the birth of both I pulled the doctor aside and gave her strict instruction that, God forbid, should the unthinkable horror occur and the doctor be forced to choose, she was to save the life of my wife; let the baby go. A woman who determines she has cancer two months into her term should have the opportunity to choose.

      Virtually no one I know supports an abortion as a means of birth control and no one supports late term procedures.

      If both sides could agree to end the “arms race”, this thing would be a non-issue.

      /soapbox

      • In the case of rape: there are two innocents involved, therefore, it could be “rationalized” – but a strict Scriptural reading would still find a victim of a crime using that crime to justify taking the life of another innocent (not advocating, just saying)

        In the case of the mother’s life: we always have the right of self-defense. This is Scriptural based, but again, if there is a chance the child could be born healthy, the life of an innocent…

        All other reasons: EXCUSES – PERIOD!

        • but a strict Scriptural reading would still find a victim of a crime using that crime to justify taking the life of another innocent

          I know. And in a Christian setting may even agree.

          However, in the same way and manner I don’t want sharia law involved in our law books I don’t want my religion’s laws in our law books.

          • Too late. Our law books trace their lineage directly to the Bible by way of English common law. For a time after our founding, the Bible was even accepted in our courts as a book of law, and it superseded Man’s law. We can’t escape our history:

            “We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come.”

            –Samuel Adams, uttered as the Declaration was being signed

            “Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other. The divine law, as discovered by reason and the moral sense, forms an essential part of both.”

            — James Wilson, Signer of the Constitution

            “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected, in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

            –John Quincy Adams, 1821

            “The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.”

            –Noah Webster, 1833

            “Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.”

            — Robert Winthrop

            But we can discard it in favor of a future of our own design, though we will pay the inevitable price for following our own folly. :-(

          • Too late.

            Oh, I totally agree with you that this nation is one that embraces the Divine. You have no work to persuade me that our founders felt that our success was divinely inspired.

            I simply want to make sure that we understand the laws we create account for the unbeliever in the same way and manner that they care for the believer.

            As a side note, I firmly believe that when a Rabbi, an Imam and a Priest dine together and bow their head in silent homage to the Architect of the Universe, those three men are speaking to the same entity.

          • pino,

            The tenants of the Christian faith DO provide for both believer and non-believer alike. NOTHING in the New Testament tells us to kill those who refuse to accept the Gospel, and even the Old Testament provided for proper treatment of the “gentile.”

            HOWEVER, I disagree as to your belief that the Jew and Christian pray to the same God as the Muslim: they do not. I say this after having studied Islam and having come to understand that it is the antithesis of Judaism and Christianity. You’ll have to figure it out for yourself, but I would STRONGLY caution you against blindly accepting what you are told in the West – especially by supposedly “moderate” Muslims. They seldom tell you the truth – at least, not the whole truth. You will either have to find something by a former Muslim who is now trying to explain their old faith, or you will have to read the Qur’an AND Hadith (VERY important). Even then, most English translations have been worded so as to smooth over a lot of the uglier sides of Islam. You might want to try Walid Shoebat’s “God’s War on Terror.” You can also go on YouTube and look him up. I do not agree with all of his take on prophecy, but his explanation of Islam is EXCELLENT, and his book walks you through the Bible and Qur’an, citing Scripture and the Qur’an side-by-side to make his case.

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