Obama Administration Shows Religious Favoritism in Health Care Bill?

I received the following email this week:

Thought this was interesting and worth passing on.

Dhimmitude — What does it mean?

Obama used it in the health care bill.
Now isn’t this interesting?
It is used in the health care law.

Dhimmitude — I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google and start reading. Pretty interesting. It’s on page 107 of the healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists.. It is a REAL word.

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.

ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking”, and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this.

How convenient. So I, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance.

Non-Muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. This is Dhimmitude.

I recommend sending this on to your contacts.

American citizens need to know about it –

snopes.com: Health Insurance Exemptions
Apr 13, 2010 … Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations … The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia …
www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp

I did some of my own research before posting this here.  Here’s what I found:

I started with this story that claims there is nothing to the claims in this email.  I then found that this notion of the Dhimmi being an “invented” term may be true, but the idea of a tax on Christians is in the Qur’an.  I found it in 9:29.  True, the word is not in the Qur’an, but the principle that the word was described certainly is.  This Jizya is nothing more than a tax to be paid to keep from being killed.  In this sense, you would be better off thinking of it as nothing more than extortion, much the same as that we have been dealing with since this nation was born and we had to pay to get our merchants and sailors back from the Barbary Pirates (i.e. Muslims).

Then I found that FactCheck.org seems to think there IS something to the claims in this email after all.

I’ll leave you to decide what you believe, but given THIS Administration and its current attacks on Catholics and Christianity in general, do you REALLY believe it is beyond the realm of possibility?  If so, could you please tell me how or even WHY the word “Dhimmitude” even found its way into the Health Care bill?

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48 thoughts on “Obama Administration Shows Religious Favoritism in Health Care Bill?

  1. Thank you for the link, there are a lot of questions about the healthcare bill, and personally I think that we will find there really are a lot of things that favor muslims and go against Christians, but they will probably be in the regulations that the HHS will write, and not exactly in the bill itself. HHS has so much leeway, they can put anything that they want to in there. Either way, it is a bad bill that should never have been passed and must be gotten rid of some way. God bless.

    • “In the regulations…”

      My friend, you are VERY wise to understand that the real threat lies right there: in the numerous mentions of “the Secretary shall…”

      You are obviously wide awake :-D

  2. Then I found that FactCheck.org seems to think there IS something to the claims in this email after all.

    So, I’m pretty against Obama and the Health Care Bill. But I went to your FactCheck link and I’m not sure what you see that qualify that there is something to this claim.

    Not on single Muslim group is exempt. In fact, no non-Christian group is exempt.

    SOME Muslims don’t buy life insurance but buying and providing health insurance is in line with Muslim thoughts on social justice.

    Last, FactCheck claims that there is no language in the final bill that calls for criminal penalties for evading health care taxes.

    Maybe you see something different?

    • Ah, but they do tell us the term IS in the Bill, right? So, how long before it is altered to allow that favoritism? Especially in light of the growth of Islamic banking rules in our economy, and the growing intrusion of Sharia.

      Pino, you have to learn to look at the shadows. They hide the truth from you, but they never catch the shadows. Remember: “We are five days away from FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING the United States of America?” Well, I saw that as a shadow, and I see this issue with the health care Bill as a shadow: a sign with no reasonable explanation other than to point to a hidden agenda not yet revealed.

      But you are free to disagree, which is why I ended my post the way I did :-)

      • I haven’t heard of this dhimmini cricket thing. I’ve only heard of corporations being able to opt out on specific portions of the bill.

        Hope you find your shadow, Peter.

        • I haven’t heard of this dhimmini cricket thing.

          When I first read this, I did so without aid of my bourbon. Now that I have corrected my flaw I see that dhimmini cricket is most excellently hilarious!

          By Jimminy.

      • but they do tell us the term IS in the Bill, right?

        No.

        The claim is that the law “establishes Dhimmitude. That’s the interpretation of the e-mail’s author.

        I see this issue with the health care Bill as a shadow

        I totally agree that there are behind the scenes issues with this law. But the idea that he is exempting Islam isn’t one of ‘em.

        • Oh, I agree about his not exempting Muslims. I can easily see how those who follow my posts may think I am looking at the Muslim angle, but – honestly – I’m not. I’m looking more at those shadows as I believe they reveal a sub-structure: a different governing structure that could be “activated” given the right “crisis.” That is what I saw in this email.

          I guess it’s sort of like trying to pin jello to a wall, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done ;-)

          • “What does that even mean?” – pino

            My friend no offense, but if you do not understand what I said, then you really are not qualified to be in the middle of this topic.

            Those of us who have been around a vast majority of Muslims both domestic and abroad know exactly what I am talking about (which is why Joe said “Amen brother”.

          • Augger,

            That is the burden you and I and others like us bear: trying to explain the problem to our fellow countrymen when they simply do not understand it because they have never “experienced” it first hand.

            Pino,

            I have to agree with Augger on this one. I mean no offense or insult, but he is correct. If you didn’t understand our exchange, I’m not sure either Augger or I can explain it to you and I don’t blame you for it, it is not your fault: our Western way of life has simply erected a PC barrier that can only be breached by first hand knowledge of the problem – the time of first hand knowledge that leaves you picking up the pieces…of your buddy..

  3. Pino, my luv, I wish I could help you. Unfortunately, A. and B. are lost in translation much of the time with me. Every now and again, there is that magical moment when we seem to all connect the dots of the other’s thoughts. Sadly, those instances are few and fleeting.

    • Pino, my luv, I wish I could help you.

      I sooo wish you would. Or could. Sadly, sadly.

      Unfortunately, A. and B. are lost in translation much of the time with me.

      Old friends have it like that sometimes. However, when the topic is politics and the goal is persuasion, tactics must be evaluated. And then discarded.

      Sadly, those instances are few and fleeting.

      S shame really.

      But we have each other!

      • Pino, you can Kells can downtrodden it all you wish. Actually, I am grateful you did not have to experience what I (and apparently Black) had to go through.

        A thank you is not necessary, however until you have stood in our boots, tossing your rocks at someone else would be appreciated.

        Thanks for your ongoing understanding.

  4. Iraq had national health insurance, Malaysia, with 61% of the population being muslim, does, as does Turkey and Syria. This organization.. http://www.amhp.us/ an association of Muslim Health Professionals, does not seem to be aghast at the idea of insurance.

    You admit that dhimmitude is a made-up word, the allegations in the e-mail are false, then you go on using these falsehoods to make some point. The religious restrictions in the bill were designed mainly for the Amish, who REALLY are against pooled risk for some stupid reason.
    I don’t think that Pino and I will be joining you in your chasing of shadows anytime soon, but have fun!

    • G, the problem is that dhimmitude is not a made up word, and in fact there are hundreds of documented, and peer reviewed publishings on that very topic. One of which is directly available to you, and I will proffer it here …

      The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude, Seventh-Twentieth Century by Bat Yeor; Miriam Kochan; David Littman
      Review by: Sidney H. Griffith
      International Journal of Middle East Studies , Vol. 30, No. 4 (Nov., 1998), pp. 619-621
      Published by: Cambridge University Press
      Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/164368

      • Augger, forgive me. the word has been around since 1982, my mistake. It was coined by a Lebanese Christian leader, And it is used primarily by non-muslims that have an axe to grind with Islam.

        But I am splitting hairs, as dhimmi was indeed a practice of taxing non-muslims living in muslim countries. In return for paying the tax, the infidels were allowed to eat pork and drink alcohol, among other infidel proclivities, as long as those practices were kept out of sight. Non-muslims were allowed to participate in local politics and own businesses. A Jew was mayor of Cordoba for a time while the city was under muslim control. Facts are facts, Augger, the jews were treated better by muslims back on the day than they were by christians. If that fact does not matter, then dhimmi does not matter.

        • G, if you really need me to do so, I can also cite usage of the word by Muslims as well if that leads credence to it’s, um … wordiness? :)

          Now you are quite welcome to split hairs all you wish, but just because a word has been invented since the first dictionary was published does not diminish the fact that it does in fact remain a word.

          Thanks for playing though. :)

        • “Facts are facts, Augger, the jews were treated better by muslims back on the day than they were by christians. If that fact does not matter, then dhimmi does not matter.”

          While history is written how it is written (the beautiful thing about it is that no one is alive to document the other side of the story, so slants get documented as history), I cannot speculate on a past I was not present for. I can however, speculate about current events that I am witness to.

          I stand with the Jews without hesitation, or a second thought.

    • What Augger said, but also this: do not allow yourself to get overly distracted by the details – Muslim or Amish. The point here is this: the door was opened and I FULLY expect it to be abused in the near future – as this is the MO of those holding power at this moment (and I do NOT mean “Party” holding power, I mean ideology holding power).

      Whether you like to admit it or not, in THAT sense, I not only KNOW you see the shadows, you chase them with me, G ;-)

      • You damn right it will. Give the government an inch, and they are for sure to take a mile.

        What will be required here, by all faiths in the US, is a sleeping of strange bed-fellows if you will for the common goal of liberty.

  5. Actually, I am grateful you did not have to experience what I (and apparently Black) had to go through.

    You allude to experiences, I can only assume that you are referring to time spent serving in the armed forces. I’m not sure ’cause you only obliquely make reference but anyway.

    If that is true, your time spent serving is a noble, thankless and in many cases, the ultimate sacrifice. And having served, I’m sure that you have a perspective that not many have. However, that perspective is not so pure that it renders all other perspectives subservient.

    Every single Muslim I know is more LIKE me than NOT like me. They enjoy good coffee, the love of a good woman. At the office they compete for promotions just like I do. When their teams are assigned work, they want headcount to get it done; just like I do. We laugh at the same jokes, watch the same TV shows and discuss politics as I do with my non-Muslim family. Granted, in some cases they don’t drink [and who can trust someone who doesn't drink?] but hey, in the end, they like their lives, wanna make ‘em better, love their kids and they mow the lawn.

    until you have stood in our boots, tossing your rocks at someone else would be appreciated.

    So here’s the thing.

    There’s two ways of being right. The one way is a “take no prisoner damn be the enemy” method. Lots of my college professors were like this. They didn’t care if they garnered a consensus, swayed minds or gathered like minded folks into the fold. This is the way that says, “My way or the highway.”

    Then there’s the way that engenders people, even in the face of disagreement, to acknowledge that while we may disagree on the specific, the way and manner is such that I can “join the cause”.

    And the cause, here, is to defeat the Marxist President.

    I like to think that I’m a strong ant-Obama kinda guy. I assume you are too. We should naturally be aligned to the same common goal. But I get the feeling that if I don’t agree with every single nuance of your position I ain’t one of you. And believe me, we need as many of us to be us as we can get.

    So, if you don’t want me to bend down and pick up a rock, you may wanna consider letting go of the rock in your clenched fist before asking me.

    • pino,

      I am going to make this as a SUGGESTION, but a suggestion to which you should give some SERIOUS consideration. You need to read 3 books – ASAP!

      “Unholy Alliance” by Horowitz

      “The Grand Jihad” by McCarthy

      “God’s War on Terror” by Shoebat

      My friend, I agree with the last part of your comment, but I do not believe you understand the problem that Augger and I see because we’ve been in the belly of the beast. YES – OK? – THERE ARE “GOOD” MUSLIMS! We ALL get this, but what Americans do not understand is what that term “good Muslim” REALLY encompasses. Neither did Europe – at first. But you might want to start reading about what is happening over there now, BECAUSE IT IS COMING HERE NEXT! So, with true and sincere concern, and with as much respect as I can possibly say this, I do not believe you understand the problem because you are looking at it through a PC lens.

      [Augger, we're screwed!]

        • Kells,

          Get and READ “God’s War on Terror.” If you do that and STILL want to hold your line AFTER you read the ENTIRE BOOK, then I we’ll talk about this subject. Until you do that, then only one of us actually understands what we’re discussing.

          • I read a book called Son of Hamas. (At least I think that was the name of it) Anyhoo, the biggest form of tension in my point of view seems to be coming from over there.

            • Yep, and that’s why this nation will NEVER see what hits it. It is not “over there,” Kells, and all you need to do to find it HERE is to open your eyes and start looking. Or did you miss the DOMESTIC call to fly the flag of Sharia over the White House? That is the STATED GOAL of “American Muslims.”

              You see, this is NOT the same as “African-Americans.” Read those words: they at least end in “AMERICANS.” But “American-Muslims” ends in MUSLIMS – and THAT is the truth that you are refusing to accept.

              Look, I get it, you want to be thought of as enlightened and inclusive. Fine, but you would have been standing with Chamberlain in the 1930′s calling me and Winston hatemongers. But who will you run to this time when my side is proven correct yet again? Because, this time, by the time you realize your mistake, my side will be dead and there will be no one to save you but yourself. When that time comes, will you say “there is no god but Allah,” or loose your head?

        • Forgive me for getting involved in this interesting conversation, but I sense a real denial that muslims that live in this country would ever do anything against this country. I don’t know you, so I don’t know if you really believe this or not. But, you are quite wrong that they wouldn’t do anything against America because they live here. If you are truly interested in finding out many of the things that are being done by muslims in the U.S., this website is one that really keeps up on it. http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/fbi-attacks-nypd-on-surveillance-confirms-muslims-dont-cooperate-in-counter-terrorism/
          Perhaps you are just to a point and counter point argument, if that is true, I apologize. But if you seriously believe that muslims are all good Americans, you are wrong. I could give you several other sites, but this is a good one to start!

          • Loopy, Kells doesn’t mean to be ignorant about reality, she just is. Think of her as an unknowing casualty in the battle that you and I and people like Augger see and understand. :-/

          • Let’s talk about reality, shall we? The reality is that I think I get quite more than you think I do. Then again, you probably are either A) Jealous B) Have been servicing hammers too long or C) Have your head stuck too far up your ass.

            • God bless kellsbells, I am not sure that it is worth a response to you since you have already made up your mind and no bit of extra knowledge is going to change it. I don’t believe in mocking and calling names, and if that is what you wish to do, it is not worth my time.

    • Pino,

      I’m not attempting to pass discord here, but rather attempting to shoot the arrow straight through the bush to the point vs beating it around the bush. In doing so, you inadvertently will step on a toe, but some times you just cannot avoid it.

      As to my experience …. yes, I am military. I lived in Israel for over 6 years consecutive, and served in every corner of the theater. I believe that pretty much gives me a fair cross section of the culture.

      I agree there is a reason that the Muslims that came here did so. And just like all the other immigrants that came here, their reasons were generally for liberty, and opportunity.

      However, an Irishman remains an Irishman. Same can be said for the Italians, Greeks, Asians, …., and even Muslims. But there is one big difference that you cannot afford to overlook … even underneath all that graciousness that is put forth to you by the Muslims.
      (yes, I know many of them here, and interact with them on a daily basis … they are kind, and gracious).

      And that is the underlying belief. Joe is right, read the books, and if you ask me, I would tell you to just go to Israel, and live there for a period of time. Then you will see first hand what I am talking about, but trying not to shed too much light on.

      “All that glitters ain’t gold”. Believe it.

  6. L., I mean no offense, but I did, in fact, read your link, as well as post to another commenter on the site. In fact, I actually inquired to this commenter whether I could post his link. But how a comment such as B’s: “Loopy, Kells doesn’t mean to be ignorant about reality, she just is.” escapes you as “mocking or calling names” is indicative of your own hypocrisy.

    • Kells,

      It is not “mocking” you or calling you names, it is the truth. Your understanding of Islam and the threat it presents to the entire Western way of life is separate from the reality, and you have no desire to educate yourself on the issue. In this sense, loopyloo is correct: you’ve already made up your mind and you are determined to tell yourself those who are trying to tell you otherwise are bigots. We’re not, but that doesn’t matter to you.

      Were you truly as rational as you like to think, you would take the time to read the book I told you to read, or to look into the many sites that translate the Arabic web pages for you. Do that and you will see that even your “American” Muslims are saying one thing to your infidel face and quite another behind your back and you are buying it.

      I guess your willful ignorance is why you embrace Ron Paul, as he suffers from the same problem. Unfortunately, if there are too many of you guys in this nation, you will take us down with you and I would rather not suffer for someone else’s mistakes (I make enough on my own).

    • @ Kells,

      I have no idea what you do for a living, but it is clear that you are an educated person. I like to speculate that you are a teacher, or something similar. Either way, I do not think you are an intellectual pauper, so I find myself downtrodden a bit when I attempt to address you on the boards.

      With that being said, I do think that you have a myopic view on some issues such as Muslims. I think that is rather a product of experience with the locals, vs having a broader group to have interacted in. That unfortunately leaves you with the only option of reading various opinions, rants, or what-have-you on the internet. And let’s call a spade a spade … reading about Islam is labor-some in that it is quite boring. I get it.

      Tell you what, the local Muslims generally keep close by a book they love to give out to Americans. Sadly, I forget the name, but the book is aimed at teaching Americans how Muslims should behave cordially. Ask one of your buddies for it, and then read it.

      Reading that book should empower you to see what is “expected” behavior, and then as it plays out in reality, you will unfortunately be able to see the hypocrisy of it all as well.

      Painful process yes, but a worthy one.

      • I take care of a schizophrenic for a living, which is probably why I am able to get along so smashingly well with you boys.

        Myopic view? Reckon I’m not the only one here with tunnel vision, luv.

        Oh, and FYI, I was actually going to take the Arabic language course to get more of an understanding of their culture, but had a conflict in my schedule. Unlike you, I will seek both sides of the story.

        Now I’m thinking on an article I read….wonder if I can find it…. I really dig this rag….

        Here we go: ( Now, don’t have a heart attack, but, yes; I can and do read)

        http://reason.com/archives/2011/07/18/fear-of-a-muslim-america/singlepage

        • Love those dot com sites for their non bias, not for profit agenda.

          And this is what happens when a person attempts to be nice …

          Tell you what Kells. You really want to see the other side of the story? Really? Verily so?

          Alright, easy enough. Next time your hob-knobbing with one of your aggrandized ones you so love to elevate, go ahead and ask them about infidels. Oh, you’ll get an immediate response something along the lines of “An Infidel is a zion.” You see, they do not want to tell you truthfully what an infidel really is to them, but … that answer is close enough.

          And if that isn’t good enough for you, I invite you … if you dare …. to go live in their part of the world for about 6-8 years, and then come back and report.

          • Augger,

            She’s not going to ever understand it – not until she is looking back down at her own headless body as one of them lifts he into the air by her hair.

          • C’mon, A. You know and I know that they couldn’t handle me for 6-8 hours, much less 6-8 years….then again, I can service hammers as well if not better than B. ;)

          • Pino,

            Not just jumping to Joe’s side for the sake of jumping to Joe’s side, but does everyone forget about Daniel Perlman?

            The video is still available on some websites if anyone needs a refresher.

  7. And if that isn’t good enough for you, I invite you … if you dare …. to go live in their part of the world for about 6-8 years, and then come back and report.

    More with this.

    I refuse to acknowledge that you have “pure knowledge” simply because you were there. While it provides invaluable perspective, it doesn’t give you supreme say on the matter. In fact, it makes you sound like Democrats who claim only women have a say in the abortion debate.

    Christianity has a history of violent extremists. Islam clearly has theirs. I just think that labeling ALL of them as such is irresponsible.

    • Did I ever say that I had supreme anything? So while you are twisting words like a typical democrat, maybe you should check your hypocrisy at the door. Additionally, I did not label ALL of them as anything but followers Islamic followers of Islam.

      Shall I begin to quantify my position by posting an insane number of Quran quotations to illustrate the depth of their beliefs?

      Here’s your rock back.

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