Some of the long time readers and holdovers from the heady days of commenting at the old Panama City News Herald website (before they destroyed the comments by moving to FaceBook) will remember our old friend and nemesis, a commenter called “buggerthat”. Bugs was/is a reactionary and doctrinaire “progressive” and was (and I assume still is) absolutely convinced of his intellectual and moral superiority to anyone who doesn’t agree with him.
Part of the tag line for this blog is credited to him – he called me “dishonest, diversionary and pompous” as he was in the process of losing yet another argument about some issue. In typical “progressive” fashion, rather than argue my actual positions, most of the time he created a projection of his definition of my position and argued against that. It’s called a “strawman”. It is very easy to win when you control both sides of an argument and can construct an opposing argument that is weak in exactly the areas where your argument is strong – it isn’t a legitimate form of logical debate but it is a common tactic of the political left. I’ve long said that to “win” a debate, these so called “progressives” must create a caricature of Republicans/conservatives/classic liberals in order for their points to have any semblance of validity.
When the “strawman” won’t fall over and burn, they predictably descend to name-calling.
Such was the case as we debated the Ground Zero Mosque back in 2010. I was called a racist, Islamophobe and a bigot for simply suggesting that building a mosque within eyesight of Ground Zero might not be the best idea and smacked of Islamic triumphalism or a passive/aggressive celebration of the terror attack that destroyed the Twin Towers.
One of the examples of just how bigoted we are in the South that was trotted out was the example of the people in Murfreesboro, Tennessee were discriminating against the Muslim community by trying to stop a tiny, tiny, inconsequential, 53,000 square foot Islamic Center from being built.
The Murfreesboro Mosque, like the idea of the Ground Zero Mosque, in and of themselves are not objectionable. They are but buildings, places of worship. The issues that they bring to the fore are the unanswered questions about the true motivation of the supporters and the funding organizations behind them.
I am not an Islamophobe in the sense that I believe that I personally have anything to fear from individuals adhering to the religion of Islam, I have no feelings of irrational panic when associating with devotees of Islam. I have even publicly argued that I believe that our Constitution does not prohibit the possibility of having a Muslim president.
But I have also publicly stated that I believe that Islam is completely incompatible with the ideals and principles of America. I do believe that there are forces in Islam that seek to destroy America and believe that living a “devout” life of deprivation in hell-holes like Pakistan or Iran is somehow morally superior to living in an open and free society like America. That living in a misogynist society where women must be covered from head to toe and only be seen in public with a husband or male relative and where men engage in addictions to porn, are taught how to beat their wives and prostitution is somehow superior (one of the 9/11 “devout” terrorists, Mohammed Atta, sure loved him some hookers).
Black3Actual has pointed out several instances that are hard to ignore – Calypso Louie claiming that Allah is going to bring down the skyscrapers being just one.
Of course, it is foolish and illegitimate to generalize the behavior of small samples of members of any group to the entire population of that group…but let me state this a clearly as I can – it is just as foolish and illegitimate to reverse that process and ascribe the positive attributes and motives of the larger population to the smaller groups, especially when there is evidence to the contrary.
There is a concept in American jurisprudence that states that if an individual has prior knowledge or witnesses a crime the individual has a responsibility to stop the criminal act or to be considered complicit in the act itself. This is where we get the legal concepts of “aiding and abetting”, “depraved indifference” and being an “accessory” to a crime. In consideration of such concepts, one must ask these questions of the larger population of Islam:
- If you do not agree with the actions of the violent and radical factions of your beliefs, why are you not working to isolate and eliminate them?
- Does your silence not indicate a depraved indifference to the acts of Hamas, Hezbollah and al Qaeda?
- You claim that these factions “do not represent Islam”, yet you do nothing. However, when an individual leaves the Islamic faith they are declared an apostate and are marked for death – why do you not ascribe the same punishment for apostasy to the people who “do not represent Islam”? Is that not the same issue?
- Does not your silence (or ineffective denouncement) actually indicate acquiescence?
Where so many of the American non-Muslim defenders of Islam fail is in their equivocation of Islam to post-Reformation Christianity – there is no equivocation.
- Rather than a patchwork of denominations who believe in 99.9% of the same things, yet only differ in how to worship, Islam abides no deviations in belief or process.
- Reformation of Islam is not possible – where Christians believe that the Holy Bible was written by man and inspired by God and therefore open to interpretation, Muslims believe that the Koran is the literal and exact word of Allah, and is not to be “interpreted” – only followed.
- Christianity respects and tolerates competing beliefs, Islam considers all other religions inferior and illegitimate and punishes those who leave it with charges of apostasy, punishable by death.
- Christianity has a documented history, a proven legacy of existence. Islam has no such historical record and only appeared around 700 AD.
The two couldn’t be more different.
Therein lies my issue with many who ignore facts before them and minimize the danger (and, yes, I believe that Islam is a danger) of the growth of Islam in America.
I was reading an post at Robert Spencer’s site, Jihad Watch, by Eric Allen Bell, a guy who went to Murfreesboro to make a documentary in support of the mosque and after he witnessed the chicanery, deception and political correct blindness that have conspired to allow the construction to go forward, he became an opponent:
But the most important thing I learned from Sheikh Ossama Baloul was this – and I had to watch this footage over and over to finally get what he was saying. There is no such thing as “moderate Islam”. There is only “modified Islam”. These are not his words, they are my own. But basically what he had to say with regard to the implementation of the brutal and often sadistic Islamic Law (Sharia) was that no one in America had anything to worry about. Why? Because Muslims are taught to follow the laws of the foreign land they are living in. This does not mean then that forced amputations or killing someone for leaving Islam, or even for being an enemy of Islam is against Islam – against his beliefs as the main Islamic spiritual leader in Murfreesboro. He never said that. Only that they would not do that here, if the law forbids it. The moral outrage that I feel, when considering the Sharia, didn’t seem to affect him in the same way.
Bell points out that the actions of Islamists in America MUST be held to critical, objective scrutiny. We must be honest with who these “factions” are and who is supporting them:
The Muslim Brotherhood is the largest Islamic organization in the world. Its most famous slogan, used worldwide, is “Islam is the solution.” As Robert Spencer points out repeatedly, in many of his public talks and books, the Muslim Brotherhood is the direct forefather of both Hamas and Al Qaeda. This organization does not go by “The Muslim Brotherhood” in America. But perhaps you may have heard of some of its front groups: Muslim Student Association, Muslim American Society, Islamic Society of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, North American Islamic Trust, International Institute of Islamic Thought, and several others. And they were all listed in this Muslim Brotherhood “Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood of North America”, which states:
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan (militant religious brotherhood dedicated to the purification and the unification of Islam) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.
Bell echoes my concerns that the ultimate goal of Islam is not growth of the faith in America because the Islamists see this as a mutually exclusive proposition – in order for Islam to succeed, America must fail – not only fail, but be destroyed:
Islam is thought of by most Americans as simply a religion. When they hear about proposed legislation to ban Islamic Law (Sharia) from our courts, it often strikes them as a form of religious persecution. To most of the media, ideas such as “Creeping Sharia” or “Stealth Jihad” sound like paranoid conspiracy theories. Attempts to stop the construction of any mosque are perceived generally as the work of Christian religious fanatics who don’t want to lose the home court advantage. Why is this? The answer is quite simple. Americans are not educated about Islam.
Organizations such as CAIR spin every one of these stories to look like a civil rights issue. Much of the media uses their press releases as source material for their stories, and this is where most Americans are getting their information. So the illusion that Islam is nothing more than just another religion is one that is maintained, paid for by Islamic petrodollars, and strictly enforced by the strong arm of the Hamas front group, the Council on American Islamic Relations.
But Islam is in fact a tyrannical political system, a brutal and sadistic legal system – thinly veiled in a theology which technically grants it the status of a religion, at least according to the US Department of Justice. Therefore, to oppose construction of a mosque is seen as a form of “religious persecution”.
In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. A Sharia-compliant mosque (which would basically be all of them) is antithetical not only to American values, but to American laws. A mosque, more times than not, is a place where treasonous ideas are taught, often times by people who are not even citizens of this country. The fact is that Islam and human rights cannot coexist. Islam and free speech cannot coexist. Islam and gay rights, women’s rights, the freedom to leave your religion without fear of being killed – these beliefs and practices, which are at the core of Islamic teaching – cannot coexist with freedom and liberty – the foundation upon which America was built.
Read all of Eric Allen Bell’s post at the link. It is illuminating.
Asking honest questions and understanding facts is not Islamaphobic. We as Christians, ask questions of our own religion all the time in a quest for greater understanding – such questions are not allowed in Islam.
Recognizing a danger to the Republic is not a character fault or bigotry.
And remember: the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

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So, M., you believe Islam to be a political system and not a religion? This line in your post is crucial: “But basically what he had to say with regard to the implementation of the brutal and often sadistic Islamic Law (Sharia) was that no one in America had anything to worry about. Why? Because Muslims are taught to follow the laws of the foreign land they are living in.”
I never knew Bugs gave you your tag line. I miss him……
I do believe that radical Islam is more about politics than religion…
After reading this (good piece, btw), I think I finally see where so many people are missing the most crucial aspect of Islam – especially when trying ti compare it to Christianity. I will write one last piece on this point to see if I can FINALLY put some clarity to what so many are missing – possibly even you, Boss (I think you do, and this post is what suddenly made the problem clear to me, but I can’t be sure – sorry
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I’ll apologize to you, Kells, in advance. This next piece will not be short because it is too important to leave anything to the assumption that the reader will properly fill in for themselves that which I tend to think should be obvious. This time, I’ll connect the dots and color in the picture for you.
If you were paying the least amount of attention, you would note that M. used the adjective radical in his comment. I think this is what I have been trying to get through to you. I am very much aware of the threat to America by the infiltration of Sharia Law in our courtrooms. I cannot condemn an entire religion due to the fact that there are nut cases not abiding by the laws of their own religion.
Good piece, M.
B; you are the philosopher. Can “we” explain in a general “our creator” way (as opposed to Judeo-Christian viewpoint) why Islam is a political, maybe cultural, construct wrapped up in, or disguised as, a religion?
Actually, I think I can. Your point is related to the post I just mentioned I am working on. And, as I said, it will not be short because this is a broad but critically important point. It is the crux of the whole debate.
B; what I think I see happening with “our friends” is they hope we are wrong, (because if we are right; extremely frightening) so they grasp on to the “radical religion” misnomer, shut down, and can’t think logically about the issue. . . It is too emotional. . .
Possibly, but I think we are also dealing with an unconscious adaptation or acceptance of political correctness. Too many have accepted the fallacious argument that we are ‘bad,’ ‘bigoted,’ ‘intolerant,’ ‘racist,’ ‘haters,’ etc if we do not ignore reality in favor of conforming to the PC view of the world. The problem is, what we call ‘political correctness’ is an artificial construction. I mean, how many of us have ever realized it is connected to the notion than man can create utopia on earth? Well, if you reject the idea of a man-made utopia, you must reject political correctness, as PC is nothing more than an Alinsky-like attempt to force people to conform to the utopian ideal. In the case of Islam, the ‘force’ is to either accept Islam as equal to other religions or be outside this utopian ideal. The only nod the PC world gives to reality is to label the obvious fact – that which cannot be ignored because it kills people – as ‘radical.’ But I would ask those people how following the Qur’an can be termed ‘radical’ without re-writing that book (and hence its claim to be the word of God) or denying what it actually says (which is much the same as that is denying the Islamic claim to be the word of God).
I feel the threat to America by the infiltration of Sharia Law in our courtrooms is only a part of the problem. Islam is attempting to take control of every aspect of our lives and are becoming very prevalent in our schools already.
“Islam abides no deviations in belief or process. ”
That statement shows is why you, and all of you ‘sky-is-falling, Islam is in lock-step agreement to destroy our freedoms’ believers are reacting viscerally and not intellectually. All this admittedly literate and seemingly well-researched garbage, and you cannot tell me if the Sunnis, the Sufis, or the Shi’a sect of Islam is behind this attempt to wipe America from the face of the Earth. They can’t even operate Iraq together, for Pete’s sake!
Assad of Syria is a member of the Alawi sect, an offshoot of the Shi’a. Yet some dunderheads think Saddam Hussein of Iraq, a Sunni, shipped all of his weapons to Syria before the previous Oval Office Idiot started his war.
The people behind the Learning Center in New York City are Sufis, who are into dancing and singing the praises of Allah, and totally hated by the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaeda sympathizers.
Yes, some Muslims have a hatred for us, for our support of Israel. Others hate us for interfering in M.E. politics for the last 70 years, all to assist the oil companies make better deals. Others may hate us because we HAVE BEEN KILLING THEM IN THEIR HOMES, THEIR WORKPLACES, THEIR BEDS, THEIR WEDDINGS AND THEIR SCHOOLBUSES, not to mention destroying infrastructure and causing widespread shortages of food, water, medical supplies, et cetera.
The contention that the number of Muslim attacks against this country were zilch between 1806 and the 1970′s was because they lacked the technology to do so is laughable. Planes were invented long before then, so were shoes and utility knives. Their hatred of us is not rooted in their religion; how anyone as smart as you can believe such malarkey, Utah, is baffling.
Nothing unifies a people more than the killing of their children, and of the 20K-200K civilian deaths (highest and lowest figures I could find) caused by our actions, quite a few of those were kids. But screw ‘em, right? They were just gonna grow up hating America because we killed their Dads.
Stop hating, start thinking.
Where is the “hate”? I guess questioning the motives of people who attacked us on our shores is hate these days.
I would advise you do do a little thinking on your own.
Are Muslims not killing “moderate” Muslims for the same reasons as they kill non-Muslims? Are converts from Islam to other religions not sentenced to death? Even in your own statement, you acknowledge Sunni and Shia kill each other – are not both children of Islam? How many Christians in America are being killed because they aren’t Methodist enough?
Doesn’t Islam claim to be the fastest growing “religion” in the world?
As far as the victimization of Islam by America by being in Afghanistan and Iraq, how do you explain the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 before we were in either? Why were we being attacked while we were defending Muslims in Bosnia?
As far as Saddam, know where the phrase “the enemy of my enemy is my friend originated”? Here’s a clue – it comes from an Arabic proverb.
War for oil? I guess we are just a bunch of imperialist baby killers, huh G?
I rarely get angry over what is said here but sometimes your stunning ignorance and “blame America first attitude” makes me sick. Would that you used that brain and emotions to cast as critical a glance on Islam as you do on Bush. You clearly have no trouble displaying your contempt when it comes to him.
Well, well, well…… It appears that we have two very naughty boys that now must appear in my office ASAP to receive their spankings. (Yes, I still believe in corporal punishment.) It will go down something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=nytzyMpD71k