Rich And Middle Class People Help The Poor Hurting From Hurricane…

…and the poor return that assistance with grace and gratitude envy and hate:

As volunteers with the makeshift relief efforts have applied their own rules on how to dole out relief — telling people where to wait and enforcing limits on how many blankets or food items storm victims receive — some have entered the more fraught area of applying their own values to those they are helping.

As she gave out diapers and cases of infant formula to storm victims, Bethany Yarrow, 41, a folk singer from Williamsburg who has been volunteering with other parents from the private school her children attend, said she was shocked by the many poor mothers in the Arverne section of the Rockaways who did not breast feed. The group, she said, was working on bringing in a lactation consultant.

“So that it’s not just ‘Here are some diapers and then go back to your misery,’ ” she said.

That sort of response has rankled Nicole Rivera, 47, who lives in a project in Arverne, where the ocean sand still swirls up the street with every passing vehicle. “It’s sad, sometimes it’s a little degrading,” she said as she stood in line in a parking lot waiting for free toiletries.

Ms. Rivera said that she was thankful for the help, but that its face — mostly white, middle- and upper-class people — made her bitter.

“The only time you recognize us is when there’s some disaster,” she said. “Since this happened, it’s: ‘Let’s help the black people. Let’s run to their rescue.’ ”

“Why wait for tragedy?” she added. “People suffer every day with this.”

A woman standing in front of her in line interjected. “To be honest, I pray to God I never see these people again,” the woman said. “The only reason these people would be out here again for us is if something like this happens again, or worse.”

So, unless you honkies roll up in the hood and dish out feebies on a routine basis, don’t bother helping after a disaster.

You really have to go read the entire thing to get how depraved it really is.

Clay Waters at NewsBusters points out this unbelievable article in the New York Times. I hope the author was trolling for quotes because if this is accurate, “progressivism” has created a social divide so wide as to be an unbridgeable abyss. To accept a selfless gift and hate the giver because they have the power to give is the most degrading of behaviors…but this is where class warfare, class envy and Marxism gets you.

Far from creating an highly evolved civilization, it is Marxism, not capitalism, that is what turns humans into animals fighting for scraps of carrion.

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41 thoughts on “Rich And Middle Class People Help The Poor Hurting From Hurricane…

  1. Who could blame them for being so down trodden. No one has ever told them how to increase their status in life. You know… like hard work, being responsible for one’s own actions…. you know… living as a responsible member of society.

    God forbid someone come by and help …. well help that is payed for at the taxpayers expense. Silly “rich Whites” how dare they. Yes they’ve been voting for that for 50 years.

  2. That’s the NYT. The reporter found what she was looking for – division. For once, the comments section of the NYT reveals more common-sense observations, just people helping people, nothing surprising, some awkward moments, maybe, but nothing to draw attention to. And what constructive reason is there to draw attention to it, unless your agenda is to promote division?

    I heard a story earlier today about a black man who was terrified to go to a Tea Party gathering. He was convinced they were the KKK. Progressives had taught him that he was a victim and had promised to “save” him from privileged white people. But he went, and when he got there, of course, he found people who just treated him like any other person, or any other productive member of society.

    I think conservativism will have its breakthrough moment. One day it will just hit people, like a breath of fresh air.

  3. Good pick-up on the Comments Justin !

    I heard that story too on Rush….he was the Gay partner of a self-identified White Partner…..the Black man said he felt treated well and talked to for his opinions not because he was Black…..He STILL voted for Obama I believe his partner said.

    • Thanks Don.

      “He STILL voted for Obama I believe his partner said.”

      I think you’re right about that. It’s going to take more than one meeting to undo years of ‘education’ and propaganda, eh?

      I think conservatives have had to spend too much time on defense. We’re constantly defending ourselves against baseless attacks, often to no avail because we just play right into the stereotypes; e.g., we are seen as the party that wants to prevent tax hikes on the rich. I get it, but that just does not resonate with people; it feeds into the stereotype. Now that the election is over, I think we could spend more time working on a positive message, and less time responding to the FSA. We could probably spend more time emphasizing and demonstrating what we actually are about – hard work, generosity, discipline, cooperation – words that currently bear little meaning to a lot of people, but which deep down, everybody wants.

      Sadly, if we do that and are successful, Obama will get credit for it, but, what can you do?

  4. I like your sentiments, I agree with them mostly. But a large part of the problem is that Conservatives have allowed themselves to be Silenced by PC police in the Press & media etc….People stayed quiet at work, in schools, even within families. In the end this only served to re-inforce the Left’s position……it was and is THE ONLY position heard by most people.

    When you say…”We could probably spend more time emphasizing and demonstrating what we actually are about – hard work, generosity, discipline, cooperation – words that currently bear little meaning to a lot of people, but which deep down, everybody wants.”…….

    How is being an employer ( which I am) and running a business which year after year provides employees with a living not showing hard work, discipline and Cooperation ??….now multiply me (you) times a couple of million. I think the problem doesn’t lie with the Conservatives……this is the media meme being constructed at this time, it is an adopting of the same thing the Left has said for years. I think rather the problem lies NOT in the Conservative message…..nor the Conservative example but in the Propaganda that has been fed to a couple of generations now. And that propaganda makes people feel good about NOT wanting to “work hard, be disciplined, cooperate with those also working hard” and be “generous” with others who might have a philosophy different from the Liberal one. In short I’m not sure that deep down everybody does want those things…….wanting Free Stuff was a good way to put it because It captures their ethos ( or a large PART of their ethos) well.

    This ethos has ALWAYS been there. But our Republic and our Constitution stood behind laws which at heart prevented the THEFT of others Life, Liberty and means to pursue their own dreams. What has happened is a warping of our Laws and protections to the point where the “Law” now exists to justify this ethos of Theft…..through the application of Marxism. Those here know this…..Joe and Utah articulate it very well.

    I certainly don’t have the answers. But it seems to me that we have to be vocal about what the Constitution is and be very active in the current and future education of our kids…..in a big way. The US is De-volving into a Thuggocracy. And this will not be reversed by extending our hand and saying ” I hear yah brother….you’re right”. Believe me this will only be seen as weakness. The Truth is conservative values are ALREADY generous, and promote cooperation through discipline and hard work.

    I think we need to double down on the 2014 Midterms to elect Constitutionalists. I think we need to try and get Voter Fraud in the public eye and pass Voter ID. These are issues that can have a huge DIRECT effect on our future successes. A NATIONAL organized effort toward “TrueTheVote” would help. A focus on HOW some of these Senate and House races were subverted ( Like Mia Love…Mary Bono Mack and Allen West) would be good. All the while articulating our message that those who DO believe in the traits you highlighted need to stand up and join us.

    Remember … 7 MILLION did NOT turn out to vote for Obama this Time……..and THAT is significant, that 7 million Didn’t want free stuff…….didn’t want Obama ( Nor Romney)…….WHY ?

  5. Utah, What’s with blacks being the focal point of your wrath lately? I mean, it’s like weekly you post something derogatory that a black person has done and make it a point to emphasize it. I think if you try hard enough, you could find something equally as derogatory about other races too.

    So why the continued focus on the bad apples in the black race? You were talking about taking the RNL in a different direction. Is this it? If so, aren’t you’re playing the same race game and class envy game as those that you complain about?

      • ““The only time you recognize us is when there’s some disaster,” she said. “Since this happened, it’s: ‘Let’s help the black people. Let’s run to their rescue.”

        Those blacks.

        “So, unless you honkies roll up in the hood and dish out feebies on a routine basis, don’t bother helping after a disaster.”

        Geez….nothing to be said about that.

        • Well Mr. Gates — find us a story of the whites, or Latinos bellyaching the same BS, and we’ll discuss it. Post it here, and I will create a whole new seperate thread on it (giving you the credit of course).

          Fair enough?

          • Fair enough, Augger, But will it be a discussion or just more of the same? If it’s not, I’m not down. It’s a waste of time just hearing utah say something, you repeat it, or Amen it and everyone else fall in line.

            Utah could very well have been emphasizing divide or envy. Maybe he wasn’t. I asked a question. I never played a card. I have noticed quite a few posts that have a lot to do with a segment of blacks that are ungrateful, but no other race so I asked. I also, as I always do, try to run my thoughts by a couple of different people to see if they see what I do. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. This time the 2 people I asked did (they don’t read or post here) so I posted what I did. A discussion on race is not an accusation of racism.

            Sometimes something different has to be interjected to even get any notice. If you guys stay in this echo chamber of just regurgitating each others thoughts and words how could you ever broaden your thinking?

            • It’s your topic. Write it up how you want, and let’s see where it goes. That’s what we all do here … without promises pre made by those who would offer thoughts on the topic.

              That sir, is the risk of putting your musings on the internet.

        • @ Wills: Well, pardon me, pretty baby! I didn’t pick up on that. I read the article, but obviously, I’m too much of a skimmer and didn’t see the word black. I just reckoned they were loud-mouthed, poor white yankees that were pooh-poohing aid. Say what you will, Wills, say what you will! I don’t give a rat’s ass as to the coulor of their skin; I think they’re ungrateful! Don’t get me wrong; when I have been given aid, it is embarrassing, as well as humbling, but I have the decency to be grateful.

          I don’t think M. is targeting a race, I think he’s trying to prove the point of the divide between the haves and havenots.

        • @williamgates: It would be great if you could cite some examples of where I actually, you know, did what you claim. As it is, you are blaming me for reporting on a contrived story by a liberal writer, one designed to evoke exactly the feeling you’ve expressed against me.

          I’m not the one who over-hyped the racial divide. I posted this article to note how this contrived racism is created in media, assigning less than noble goals to “white faces” as if they are taking a trip to the zoo or earning a Boy Scout merit badge, rather than actually coming down to give selflessly of themselves to others.

          I also posted this to illustrate that in the mind of the New York Times, there is never an altruistic action, never such a thing as race-blind human kindness or Christian charity. They believe that there must be a selfish motive behind every action. This is another fine example of the Hobbesian view of the left, that humans are just feral animals who have no concern for each other and cannot live together without a government to force them to go against their nature.

          You need to tune-up your bullshit detector before you start accusing me of racism.

          • I’m not blaming for anything but expected you to come off this way. Here’s what I saw as stated by Justin:

            “That’s the NYT. The reporter found what she was looking for – division. For once, the comments section of the NYT reveals more common-sense observations, just people helping people, nothing surprising, some awkward moments, maybe, but nothing to draw attention to. And what constructive reason is there to draw attention to it, unless your agenda is to promote division?” I said what you added focused on something different by your “honky” statement. BTW—they would have said “crackas” not “honkey”.

            Yes, Kells, it was a statement by some ungrateful people. Yes I expected all from you and Augger to say what you did big deal I won’t lose any sleep over it. Anyone that gives disagrees in any way get jumped on. I’m good, I can take the heat. When I was growing up we’d watch the news and see a reporter interview a black person. A lot of times their hair was all nappy and teeth missing and we’d say, “why’d they have to go get the most ugliest, unintelligent, black person with the nappiest head to interview?” Was it on purpose? Maybe maybe not.

            Bullshit? I don’t think so. Bullshit was you crying about the demonstration in your home state and the media blowing it out of proportion. Bullshit is you blaming blacks, hispanics, whites, or indifferent for taking advantage of entitlement programs that were created by middle-aged white men such as yourself.

            You guys need to tune up you bullshit detector. In my post I asked why was the focus on blacks. I asked question expecting answers not what I got. By posting on a certain group or topic over and over constitutes a pattern generally with an agenda. That’s what I’m saying.

            PS MIke, If I thought you were racist, I’d say so. That’s no bullshit. Ask Dusty. You want to have this conversation, let’s do it. But if you don’t come correct, don’t get pissed because you get called on it. Don’t put up a wall. Listen to what I have to say. I assure you that it’s reasoned and well thought out and it’s not bullshit just because you and Augger says it is.

            • You need to reach down with both hands and get a grip.

              The Ole Miss protest was NOT about racism.

              White men such as myself? Hardly. I’m selling freedom and self-determination, not the welfare state. I’m not blaming anyone – I’ve clearly stated that the “welfare queen” racist stereotype is a lie:

              If these guys had to take a Rorschach Test, you would think that their first response to every inkblot would be to scream “racist!”.

              The problem with this as a Republican strategy is that it is a known fact that more white people are the beneficiaries of government assistance programs than blacks – which really shouldn’t be a big surprise since whites are a majority of population.

              Let’s examine the premise that Republicans are tooting on the Anti-Magic Negro dog whistle. By Democrat definition, they would already have the racist vote sewn up, so what would the advantage be to 1) antagonize a racial group (blacks) further, 95-98% of which voted for your opponent in the last election, 2) stigmatize a large segment of another racial group (whites) who make up the largest contingent of people who use the programs that you want to reform and 3) offend the “moderate” voters who are likely to go either way and handed the electoral victory to your opponent the last time?

              If there is an “agenda” it is about the takers vs. the makers. 95% of the black vote went to Obama and these are the people the media interviews.

              How is the air quality up there on your high horse?

              • “The Ole Miss protest was NOT about racism.”

                Never said it was. Why did you take offense to the media saying what they said about it?

                “White men such as myself?”

                Yes, those that propose these programs, enact these program, expand these programs. They’re to blame not the people that take advantage of it. So if you want to blame a group, start there.

                “– I’ve clearly stated that the “welfare queen” racist stereotype is a lie”

                I believe you have. A non-issue in this discussion though.

                I was discussing some of your articles lately. I said that seemed to be emphasized more that you would usually do (like going to the black website) and asked you if that was the direction you were taking the RNL. You got offended and went off. I never accused you of racism. I’ve just heard all the excuses and the “black vote” seemed to be up there on everyone’s list but it’s really a non-factor. BTW Al Gore got 92% of it (but not mine) vs Slick Willy that only got about 80%. Blacks just overwhelmingly vote democrat generally. I voted for Gary Johnson, personally.

                Air up here is good. Could be better though. Horse? Never been on one a day in my life. It’s ok to push back a bit. I’m sure you can take it.

                • Gates, allow me to share a little something with you I wrote in another thread here … partly in response to your interpretations of the topic here”

                  ““Case in point – the New York Times article that I posted about yesterday on Hurricane Sandy relief – rather than focus on the help being given by private citizens and that not being given by the government agencies, the focus was how unequal we all are and how that makes all those white people who were helping hypocritical, bigoted and racist.”

                  Precisely. A couple of weeks ago, I went to Sam’s Club and ordered 100 queen sized blankets to be shipped to New York. Does not seem like a big thing, but trust me, it’s not a cheap endeavor. Was considering ways to do more (maybe putting together a group of medical folks I know, and driving up there for the holidays) … until I read your story.

                  Given the response of the person in the article, and Gates’ interpretation of your post, I have decided not to even bother … out of fear of castigation.

                  As darwinistic as it sounds, sometimes I suppose you just have to let them eat cake.”

                  You see Mr. Gates – words have meanings. And when you toss the race card around liberally, those words can have consequences as well. Now sure, my charity is but a roll of toilet paper in the big picture, but what if there are enough others out there that feel the same way?

                • Only problem with that Augger is that no card was tossed. That’s a big problem in discussing race. Most don’t know what’s racism and what isn’t.

                  I asked why was the focus on one particular race more than others lately. I asked 2 people that don’t post here and I also asked one person that does and they agreed. Maybe you don’t. Your choice.

                  I understand that some people are ungrateful. I understand what was posted. I also said it after observing a number of post where the common factor was blacks or the topic was “Is that racism” that was always focused on blacks. You leaped at an opportunity to defend, something that didn’t need to be defended but only answered.

                  If you were going to volunteer something, and in your heart felt it was the right thing to do, what I’m saying shouldn’t change it. Yes, words have meaning. A discussion on race doesn’t always end with someone being racist. If you consider asking why now, then before, there are many more articles focused on a certain group playing the “race card” then the meaning for us is different and I’m not so sure that my meaning is the incorrect one here.

            • I obviously interpreted M.’s post and your comment differently than either of you intended. I’m glad you boys clarified your intents. I know that it is difficult to get across what you’re trying to say and the emotions behind it on a keyboard. That said, you’re both racist Bush lovers.

            • “When I was growing up we’d watch the news and see a reporter interview a black person. A lot of times their hair was all nappy and teeth missing and we’d say, “why’d they have to go get the most ugliest, unintelligent, black person with the nappiest head to interview?” Was it on purpose? Maybe maybe not.”
              :-) True, wm. Us white folk would think the same thing. Seems like the news reporter would go to the nearest trailer park, find the fattest, ugliest, teeth missing, poorest speaking white they could find and then ask a loaded question to which the person would rant and rave about something totally different. We would all wonder if there was an agenda to make white folks look bad, and I actually think there was (is). The reporter is trying to sell a story, whether it’s racial divide, racial unrest or inequality or something. They do NOT pick the most intelligent, rational person they can find to interview.

              • Yep….controversy sells papers. It’s probably about all of those things you described.

                I guess I was just different growing up. I never got sucked in to the race thing or the class thing. I saw this happen one time when I was about 8 yrs old:

                A guy was acting really weird in the projects, obviously strung out on something. He suddenly started picking up bricks and throwing them at least 40 yds breaking apt windows. Unbelievable strength. Probably on Angel Dust.–Anyways, cops were called out. 2 cops wrestled with him for a while and he was getting the best of them. The crowd was gathering around, as a 3rd cop came. As they started to get him under control, he reached for and grabbed the officer’s gun. As the fought over it, Hank was shot. Dead. Guess what the crowd of whites and blacks began to say?

                “you pigs just shot him for nothing”. “You crackas just come down here to the projects and kill black folks and get a way with it.” “Somebody gonna pay for killing Hank”. What did I say when detective came to interview? “Hank reached for his gun.” I was an instant sell-out but I didn’t care. It was the right thing to do.

                Wrong is wrong and right is right. That’s what I’m about. My mom was worried about me saying that for awhile but I told her I’d be alright. Time passed and it was forgotten. RIP Hank.

                I returned back to those projects many years later after I left FAMU and joined the USAF. I saw some of those same old guys. Guess what they told me? “Get out of here” “You don’t belong here”. Not because they viewed me as a sell-out, but they saw me make a way out of the projects and make something of myself. They shook my hand, offered me a nickel sack, and escorted me out. Those left in the projects are a product of their environment. They all tend to think the same way regardless of color and media tends to exploit them.

  6. kells – The Averne neighborhood is a section of the Rockaways (Queens, NY). It is predominately housing projects where black and hispanic people live.

    “The only time you recognize us is when there’s some disaster,” she said. “Since this happened, it’s: ‘Let’s help the black people. Let’s run to their rescue.’ ” Ms. Rivera, from what I can find, is black or hispanic (I believe she is black).

    This was added from another article on this very subject and the article referenced by utah;

    “A similar scene was unfolding in the shadow of the Red Hook Houses, a housing project with nearly 3,000 apartments. Stung not only by pervasive income inequality, but also by the steady march of gentrification in this once-derelict area, some here found it hard to accept aid from the same apple-cheeked young people pricing out longtime residents of the neighborhood.

    But realizing that this demographic group, long held up as the villain in the tale of life in the projects, could care, was just as hard for some residents.

    “They’ve been talking about white people as bad for so long, they feel shaky, embarrassed,” Al Pagan, 46, who lives in the Red Hook Houses, said as he watched the volunteers help his neighbors. “They’re starting to realize white people are human beings just like us.”

    http://www.mrc.org/node/41850

    • I’m sorry, but I have now lost my temper! This is just a bunch of bullcrap! So I guess fundraisers and volunteering just need to be stamped out at church, right? I apologise, but when a group of people decide it is wrong for others to give their time and talents, &c. out of the spirit of Christianity, I say: Move! (I hear the weather’s real nice in Libya, and your women will be treated like queens. Uh-huh.) I believe when they realise that the govt. is the people, maybe they will see, who the benevolent ones actually are!

  7. While Ms. Rivera certainly had negative things to say, Mr. Pagan (as noted in my reply) had postive things to say and I make the assumption he is black as well. There will always be two sides to a story, there will always be racism, there will always be people who tout “their side” v. the other side, there will always be reporters that try to get a story, no matter how wrong or inflammatory it might be.

  8. “A woman standing in front of her in line interjected. “To be honest, I pray to God I never see these people again,” the woman said. “The only reason these people would be out here again for us is if something like this happens again, or worse.”

    I feel the woman meant that seeing those people would mean that there had been another disaster, and that is why she would rather not see them.

    Of course someone with an agenda, say one Looking for black envy and anger, might see it differently

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