Communist Nations ALWAYS Suffer Economic Collapse — Therefore, Consult A Communist On America’s Economic Problems

That title is exactly what the people in this story are doing: asking someone who holds an ideology that has NEVER been economically successful for advice on how to solve our current fiscal problems.  The communist’s answer: we’re not broke, the rich still have money!

This is another post in your continuing education on how to understand “Progressivese:” the Liberal Lexicon.

First, watch this — CAREFULLY!

The first point you should notice is how Van Jones — A SELF AVOWED COMMUNIST — firmly believes that how and what you think is controlled by the words you use (this is 180 degree opposite of reality.  If you doubt me, tell a bunch of kids they can’t use the word retard to bully people with anymore and watch what they do: they find another word to replace it with and then just use that word to do the same thing.). Jones starts this clip by saying a word can change the way you think and act. This is one of the primary characteristics of the Leftist mind: the notion that thoughts and behaviors are controlled by our words. Well, if this were the case, then tell me something: how did language ever ‘evolve” in the first place? I mean, if you need words to tell you how and what to think, then how did man ever learn to think in the first place? As with most things the Left teaches, Van Jones is asserting an absurdity.

The next patently false assertion Jones makes is that the fiscal cliff is not real. here again, Van Jones lies, but he does not even understand he lies. This is also a simple and easy thing to prove. Assume your budget no longer matters. Just go out and start spending and, while you are at it, borrow as much money as you can. Now, how long do you think you can do this before you run out of money? AH! But Jones has the answer: just TELL your boss he has to give you a raise every time you ask (in Jones’ case, tax increases). Now how long do you think you can keep up your spending? That’s right: not very long. But Jones thinks people are stuck: they have to pay taxes. If that is true, then why did our government pass laws that make it illegal to move massive amounts of money over seas? because our government knows money will FLEE from their policies, that’s why.

The truth is, tax increases will NEVER prevent an economic collapse if the government refuses to stop spending.  All Van Jones is doing is pushing for an acceleration of Cloward and Piven. The same thing this idiot is doing:

Treasury Secretary Geithner: Lift Debt Limit to Infinity

So, do you have an infinite credit limit? So why should the government be allowed to have one? The answer is simple: raise the debt ceiling to infinity and they will have spent us into bankruptcy in a few years, our creditors will come to collect and then the government will tell us we have to hand the nation over to them to pay our debts. After all, it will only be the “fair” thing to do to pay back the people we borrowed money from to pay for grandma’s death pills.

Orwell was a Progressive, but he is one of my favorite Progressives because he was an honest Progressive. I think he nailed the Progressive mentality over and over again. “1984″ is a master piece in this regard, but so was this quote:

So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.

–George Orwell

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24 thoughts on “Communist Nations ALWAYS Suffer Economic Collapse — Therefore, Consult A Communist On America’s Economic Problems

  1. How do you know a liar? The liar tells a lie about something that DOES NOT MATTER.

    “Bush Tax Cuts causing the fiscal cliff” is a lie about something that does not matter (bush does not matter)

    Now, ask yourself “what if?” and “why?”

    Look at RESULTS of ACTIONS, ignore words.

  2. Actually, Black, I don’t think poeple understand just how true that is. So many of us want to dismiss what people like Stalin or Marx say simply on the basis that they don’t agree with Communism. But if these same people would study just some of what Marx said, they’ve have a better understand of the difference in the philosophies. He’ll tell you what’s wrong with his beliefs, as well as what’s right with them.

    • WM,

      I understand. Heck, more than most people may understand. Most of the older Marxists even told us what the weaknesses in their own ideology are and why the people would fall for their agenda anyway. They have NEVER hid their motivations or intentions, they just trust that we are all sheeple and will not resist.

      The key is to resist while organized resistance is still possible. If we loose the media, internet and social media, we lose our ability to form an organized resistance. They are currently working on closing this last breach in the dam they are building.

      • Black, this is with all seriousness.

        Any progressive movement will never be defeated because those against it continue to divided themselves. They won’t embrace all of the resources available and use them to their advantage. That won’t be successful. It’s just like the war on terror. You can’t fight an undefined enemy.

        Look at what just happened on the “Rich and Middle class People help the Poor…..” article. I look at a situation one way from my experience but no one wants to take it as, “well maybe he has some information here that we can use” it’s automatic rejection and accusations. When you use words like black and honkeys they’re going to get a reaction. Now you should take that reaction and build on it. See why the person reacts the way they do. Process that data and then come up with a conclusion.

        We’ve always said listen to Obama and he’ll tell you what he’s going to do. He’s never tried to hide it. But people that oppose him for whatever reason mostly don’t listen to him. That’s a big mistake. If I said it once, I’ve said it 100 times. The progressives have to be identified. Those in both parties do. As long as you have that party solidarity, resistance will be futile. They’ll just merge openly into one to fight against you and I.

        • WM,

          I understand the problem, and it is only made worse by the fact that I actually see several sides in the example you use (yours, Utah’s and a few more no one seems to have mentioned).

          But then, brother, you and I know that it has already been foretold that we will NOT stop what is happening and what is coming because of the very fact “we” are trying to do it. I’ve started to see this as a “God-size” problem, and a God-size problem requires God to solve.

          Well, that’s my take on it, anyway. Skeptics will disagree, but then, skeptics are primarily responsible for getting us here, so I don’t have much sympathy for their “solutions.”

          What say you?

          • I say we have to identify who our brothers actually are.

            You know how they determined what shape the economy was in back in Tulsa, OK when the black communities were thriving? The saw how many times a dollar changed hands. They would mark it. It would go from the consumer, to the grocer, to the farmer, to the tractor dealer, and so forth. How much of that money stayed in that economy. That’s how economies grow. Once government takes so much of that dollar growth is stunted.

            Those people, even though they were black and segregated, weren’t the enemy. The were capitalists. They didn’t look for favors or the “hook up”. They took advantage of opportunity. These types of people that are needed as our brothers if we’re going to succeed. Those people, not just the Adam Wests ( which you like but I think he’s just an overrated loudmouth) and the Mia Loves, but the Charles Johnsons and the Darryl Williamses. There are a small group called “Black Republicans” here in Bay County (if they still exist) that maybe need to be reached out to and see what they’re really about. Then they can take the message back to their black friends and so on and so forth. The same with Asians and Hispanics. They are all looking for handouts.

            All the division bullshit is just that and we’ll never have enough people to do anything if we keep the separation and blaming of one group or another for all our problems. Remember, Marx said this would happen.

            • All the division bullshit is just that and we’ll never have enough people to do anything if we keep the separation and blaming of one group or another for all our problems.

              I agree, which is why I am puzzled as to why you just described a solution that is based on group/identity politics. You see, this is the crux of the issue between us that you and I have learned to leave alone: IMHO, you have unwittingly accepted the “all things through race” paradigm, which, if anyone tries to look outside of race and concentrate on ideas, immediately causes an unconscious, racially-tinted reaction from you. I see this as a catch-22: if we cannot talk about ideas without seeing race, everything else is irrelevant — the Leftist race-baiters have already won.

              As for what you said about black communities: I agree. I have always said the black community was stronger and — in many ways — much better off before the Democrats started to “help” them.

              As for ALLEN West, you may see him as a loudmouth: I see someone speaking the principles and ideals upon which this nation was built. If he threw in some religion, he would be getting close to another Patrick Henry. that you see a loudmouth is yet another indication that the very issue you are highlighting is so pervasive as to act against you and your own argument. I mean, it sure seems to me that it has infiltrated into your own thinking (and I’m sure you see it in mine).

              So, where do we go from here if EVERYTHING is going to be connected to race and ideas are held to have no racial neutrality?

              • “that you see a loudmouth is yet another indication that the very issue you are highlighting is so pervasive as to act against you and your own argument.”

                Because I have yet to hear where he has provided any solution other that insults to others. When he does that, I’ll reconsider.

                “You see, this is the crux of the issue between us that you and I have learned to leave alone: IMHO, you have unwittingly accepted the “all things through race” paradigm, which, if anyone tries to look outside of race and concentrate on ideas, immediately causes an unconscious, racially-tinted reaction from you”

                I’ve studied this. It’s not as you speak. I’m an analyst. By being that, I’m bound it introduce ALL data for analysis not just part. No why I can draw an accurate conclusion without doing that. Since a lot going on in the country is based on race, then race has to be introduced. What you have done is 180′d my thoughts in the other direction which makes the conclusion false. You feel by someone dening something actually means that they accept the opposite is false but that’s not true. You know that. We’ve discussed that. I described what is actually happening. Not that it’s my thinking. I’m saying find out why these guys label themselves “Black Republicans”. Just because something is repeated doesn’t mean you agree with it. Separation is there.

                Ann Coulter said:

                “Our blacks are so much better than their blacks”.

                What does that mean? Do you accept that? Is she part of the problem or solution?

                There’s a human element involved that must be accounted for. You have to listen to thoughts other than your own.

                ” the Leftist race-baiters have already won”

                They must be identified. I don’t think we’re doing a very good job with that. If you think that I’m one, then we’re doing a terrible job of it.

                • What you have done is 180′d my thoughts in the other direction which makes the conclusion false.

                  If I have actually done that, then yes, it makes my conclusion false. However — and with sincere respect — I have not yet seen enough to let me conclude that I have you wrong. I keep at this conversation because I am looking to see if I can figure out what you obviously think I am missing. I hope I get a point for sticking with it :-)

                  Alan West:

                  Because I have yet to hear where he has provided any solution other that insults to others. When he does that, I’ll reconsider.

                  fair criticism. I accept that.

                  Coulter: an idiot — part of the problem.

                  Listening to the thoughts of others: Wm, do you think I do NOT do that? I mean, if that were the case, how did you and I come to the understanding we have built? :-)

                  Race-baiters: NO! I most definitely do NOT think you are among this crowd. I think you are part of the solution.

                  Now, how do we get past looking at race in everything we do and say and start looking at ideas and actions instead? Because, if we can’t do that, then we ARE back where I suggested we are: The Race-baiters have already won.

                • “I keep at this conversation because I am looking to see if I can figure out what you obviously think I am missing. I hope I get a point for sticking with it”

                  I want to take my post in it’s entirety and find the positive in it. If I post it, it’s from experience. What I share is what I’ve learned. I may not always articulate it very well, but the message is positive. I’ve been to those black sites that Utah visited and know what they’re all about. I thought I saw a lot of his articles leaning the opposite way that they lean, thus my post. I don’t like that direction, that’s why I posted what I did. Not to be critical, but to make him aware of that’s how it could be construed if not clarified. I expected the reaction I got but it’s all good.

                  “Listening to the thoughts of others: Wm, do you think I do NOT do that? I mean, if that were the case, how did you and I come to the understanding we have built?

                  Nope, we’re cool. I just want the initial reaction after reading a post of mine to be that you understand that this post is a positive not a negative. You may have to get out of the realm of some of the other regular posters to achieve that. When you’ve got a lot of choir preaching, back slapping and amening it’s hard to do. I know that you’ve tried hard to understand where I come from and we’ve made great progress. Let’s keep it going.

                  “Now, how do we get past looking at race in everything we do and say and start looking at ideas and actions instead?”

                  The $7500 (inflation adjusted and overtaxed used to be million dollar) question. I wish I knew.

                  I was talking yesterday to a mutual friend of ours ( I won’t tell you which one, not G) and explaining to him about how people like to spend other people’s money. I gave him an example about how at work one mgr was saying how he felt everyone should have certain unnecessary items. I said, “hell no, those things come out of my budget.” ” Would you be saying that if they came out of yours?” Now he took that differently than I thought I was presenting it. He took it as me, doing the right thing of protecting my budget, because he said most would still just view it as company money and not treat it, as I was taught, as if it were my own. I said it as, “look at that liberal thinking guy wanting to spend someone else’s money and he doesn’t have a problem with it but talking anti-Obama every chance he gets’. That guy isn’t our brother. He must change his behavior or be left behind.

                  I guess that you and me, B. I think I’m explaining something one way, you take it another, but as long as the result is positive it really doesn’t matter.

                  • I guess that you and me, B. I think I’m explaining something one way, you take it another, but as long as the result is positive it really doesn’t matter.

                    I realized this some time back. Not sure if you noticed, but this is why I push things around a bit between us: to see if I can get us to come at the problem from different directions, thereby giving me more insight as to what difference9s) we may have. I’ve said it before: I sense we are on the same page, just maybe different sides of it. Maybe that’s why we don’t always see eye to eye yet we still arrive at the same destination? :-)

                • Probably. You can take the plane. I’ll take the bus. I’m good with it.

                  it’s cool to question or take the conversation in a different direction. I’ll always be honest about what I think. I try to back it up with an experience so that people can see my background.

                  We don’t necessarily differ on the path. I just see somethings as a waste and unnecessary that you may feel are important. I think we agree about that schooling issue but would approach it differently. You may see it as the teachers are indoctrinating our kids, and I may see it the same, but my response would be that it’s up to me to prepare my child for the world so if I have to do that outside of school I will. You may take a different approach.

                  I think we both feel without a question that morality or lack of is a driving force to the progressive path the country has taken. As long as that continues, nothing we do is going to help.

                  • I agree with this — for the most part. I actually do take it upon myself to teach my children to question — even their teachers. And to make people support their positions — especially their teachers (and I teach them they must do this with respect, and unless they can support their case equally as well, to stay silent in class).

                    I think, where the schools are concerned, I see the issue as multi-fold. The teachers ARE indoctrinating our children, but then, many of our teachers were indoctrinated as well. Now, they just do what they were taught to do and never understand how or why they are wrong to do so in such a blind manner. I also see it as an affront tot he tax payers who fund what is essentially a self-destructive effort. In this, I doubt we would disagree greatly — that is, unless I actually do not understand you as well as I think I have come to??? :-)

  3. B3—Now, how do we get past looking at race in everything we do and say and start looking at ideas and actions instead? Because, if we can’t do that, then we ARE back where I suggested we are: The Race-baiters have already won.—

    WG—They must be identified. I don’t think we’re doing a very good job with that.—

    Romney attempted emphasizing ideas and actions, taking the high road. It wasn’t enough. Time to go after the race, gender, and religion baiters, aggressively.

    • Justin, sorry but I feel Romney is one of them. Check his record. Being a “job creator” does not a conservative make.

      Black, You won’t get any argument out of me about that. But since I feel that anything that needs to be done won’t get done, I just feel I have to educate my daughter to know that the only person she can depend on is herself because I won’t always be around.

    • Gates, I don’t know if you’ll get this. I know B is probably not too impressed with me right now, kind of blew up on you, bit of a short fuse, ya know? I’m just finding my way around here, so, I mean, I took your response as something marginal getting blown out of proportion, but, maybe I just misunderstood and need to get a grip. Just coming back to this question, I’m wondering whether it is better to aggressively counter the demagoguery and call it out, or is it better to focus on principles and hope that people come around? I am getting compelling arguments for both, not sure which way to go with it. That’s really what I am driving at, although, maybe you are on to something, going over the pros and cons of Romney, as a frame of reference, or, more likely, I am missing the main point altogether, but for the love of mike, can we try to work together?

      • Justin,

        You’re not bothering me any. WM will have to speak for himself, but, if I had to guess, I’d venture that he is not opposed to you. He just says things in a bit different way and you have to hunt around until you find his Rosetta stone ;-)

      • I have no issues with you, Justin. It’s all good. We’re not going to agree always. If you’re in a group that does, either someone’s not being truthful, or they’re brainwashed. We need opposition to sharpen our skills. It’s a good thing. Black may have to translate what I’m saying sometimes. He’s known me long enough to learn my language.

        Some people can be saved. I actually think Romney can be. He’s just better as himself not as a politician.

        “I’m wondering whether it is better to aggressively counter the demagoguery and call it out, or is it better to focus on principles and hope that people come around?”

        I think you have to call it out definitely when it’s within your own ranks. We tend to give our own a pass when it comes to this and then get pissed when someone else calls us on it. That was one of my really big issues with republicans because their only counter when they got called out is “well, at least we’re not as bad as they are”. That’s no good.

        Focusing on principles and adhering to them. Hold others within the group accountable. It does absolutely no good to bitch about Pelosi if we’re not going to bitch about Boehner. How much different are they? Sure, he’s to the right of her but he’s to the left of center. B, likes Allen West. I could too, but what I didn’t like about him was:

        1) He wouldn’t provide issues and solutions to existing problems but mainly chose to sling mud at other politicians.
        2) He joined that absolutely racist organization know as the Congressional Black Caucus.

        We have to educate out kids. Raise them morally. Teach them to respect. It’s a really angry world out there right now and I don’t know if anyone other than Jesus himself can fix it right now.

        • Well, WG, I like your perspective. I think you are right about sticking to principles and holding allies accountable first, before holding foes accountable.

          —The progressives have to be identified. Those in both parties do. As long as you have that party solidarity, resistance will be futile. They’ll just merge openly into one to fight against you and I.—

          Interesting what you have to say about Allen West. It doesn’t square with my image of him, and what he wrote in the Washington Times, quoting Alexis de Toqueville: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/3/the-balkanized-states-of-america/?page=all I wonder if these are just empty words, or does he mean what he says?

          Something else you said worth considering:

          —You know how they determined what shape the economy was in back in Tulsa, OK when the black communities were thriving? The saw how many times a dollar changed hands. They would mark it. It would go from the consumer, to the grocer, to the farmer, to the tractor dealer, and so forth. How much of that money stayed in that economy. That’s how economies grow. Once government takes so much of that dollar growth is stunted. Those people, even though they were black and segregated, weren’t the enemy. The were capitalists. They didn’t look for favors or the “hook up”. They took advantage of opportunity. These types of people that are needed as our brothers if we’re going to succeed.—

          I guess that is past-tense, sad. How do we restore local economies? For starters, I think we need to look at loosening up rules for businesses. We need to make it easy for anyone to start up a little enterprise and not have to worry about providing things like minimum wage and healthcare. Small business is getting strangled by ‘worker’s rights.’

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