Second Amendment

Reblogged from the blog page of a new new reader and — apparently — friend of the RNL (good read and on target):

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now, there’s lots of people who will read that and say “well, militia — that’s the military, not people.”

That’s not what our founders thought. Remember, they fought a war against the British crown and for the first several months they did it solely with militia. What they defined as militia was any man who showed up with his rifle. Yes, there were attempts to organize these men into fighting units because there was no way militia were winning against the Red Coats without some training, but they were still volunteers who were taking time off from their farms and shops to fight for their community.

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38 thoughts on “Second Amendment

  1. I was baited by this question (miltary=militia) In my opinion, the language is clear. AK’s weblog has a lot of great posts. I thought you were going to reblog her “Why I own a gun” post. It is very good….

  2. That ragtag militia, which included my family members, were the ONLY British colony to fight the Redcoats and win independence! Every American should be proud of that fact. We kicked asshat and I think of that fact every time Piers Morgan opens his big mouth!

    I find it amazing today that although my ancestors were given the right to bear arms in about 1781 I am the extremist because I believe I should continue to enjoy that important right that my own family members fought to gain for all of us.

    • Our forefathers were not “given” the right to bear arms by government.

      If this “right” were given by Government, it can be “taken away” by Government = other men & women, who force their will upon others.

      The “RIGHT to bear arms, pre-existed the Constitution and is a “right” ordained upon humanity by G-d. That’s why they were, and are, described as “in-alienable” rights.

      • Texas, you are right and certainly my ancestor, Samuel Leavitt, who fought in Revolution would agree with you. However, most of the folks I discuss 2nd Amendment with here in CA do not believe in God, so they don’t believe any rights flow from God. I’ve given up on trying to convince them about God, I’m down to defending some basic rights.

        We stopped for glass of wine yesterday after our dog walking and had this very discussion with a young man who tells me he gets his news from Al Jazeera! He thinks Al Gore did a great thing by selling to Al Jazeera, where do they get these damn, fool ideas? His parents must be mortified! And we are at the cabin in the country!

        • Trapp,

          When you run into those people — the ones who do not believe in God — and they mention ANYTHING about “their rights,” stop them and ask them when they converted and if they would like to come with you to Church next Sunday. Then, when they start to object, stop them again and tell them they MUST have been saved if they are talking about rights because, if there is no God, there can be no rights — only privileges, and privileges can be taken away whenever the govt. wants to. So, if they think they have a “right” to anything, they MUST believe.

          Then smile because they will not understand the trap they laid for themselves ;-)

            • Trapp,

              Ooops, sorry, if that sounded as though I were telling you how to handle something you already know how to handle, I apologize. It wasn’t meant that way (I iz sooo stewpid sumtimez :*) )

            • I agree with Joe’s comment……BUT;

              You could also mention that the Right of Self defence exists in “Nature” as well…..no one would say a Badger or Bear or Moose DOESN’T have the right to defend it self….it’s pretty much Common Sense and Obvious…..and obvious that this “Right” has existed since the beginning of time. !!

              This is a way to get at it to those who Don’t believe in God….after all Eco-Terrorism is a kind of new religion…their religion. We just need to use “their rule-book” against them …. as Alinsky says.

              • Don,

                Not necessarily. An animal does not have a “right” to defend itself, it just does so. You see, inherent in the concept of a right is the ability to recognize and claim it. Animals do not have this, they merely act on instinct. Whereas you have a right to your free will, which imparts a right to your life which is what gives us the right to defend our life so we can exercise our free will. If an animal had those same rights, then it would be immoral to eat them — even for lions to eat zebras — and were this the case, life would be a wee bit on the absurd side, don’t you think ;-)

                • Joe,
                  I’m not, and Trapped is not arguing with YOU……you get it, we get it…. UR point about free will is for the “extended Version” of the argument with the “low intellect.low information ” voters. After they have evolved some. It is also a good reminder for the rest of us.

                  BUT…. my point is that Trapped’s response can appeal to them in this manor and make sense on their level….because that’s were they “Live” at present. If we can get some of these “Drones” to support the 2nd amendment based on even their most basic understanding of Self-defence then that would be good.

                  • Don,

                    Man, I may have to re-consider kell’s criticisms. I mean, I could understand Trapp not knowing how to take me, but I would have sworn that, by now, you would understand that I wasn’t meaning to imply you guys don’t get it.

                    I really do have to start video blogging. I think it’s the only way I can avoid giving people the wrong impression about how I mean things.

                    OK, I’m sorry: frustrated with myself, not you guys. I just need to figure out how to stop accidentally stepping on toes. Hmmm….

                • Joe…..NO, not at all…..You are perfectly clear…(cept maybe to Gurl Vikings.. :- )). )

                  Please Understand a lot of posts are directed at others who may be reading this and NOT commenting… probably about a 1000 to 1 or more….it may give some correct thinkers,some ideas to use in their own sphere against those who don’t yet get it….especially amongst the younger Conservative set trying to convince their Liberal peers.

        • Trapped,
          My family lore says I have forefathers who fought on the side of the Colonies too.
          I just wrote a post attempting to explain “Rights.”

  3. The states ratified a version of the 2nd amendment that had only one comma. You have quoted the three comma version that was approved by congress but not ratified by the states.

    • Jeffery,

      The comma makes NO difference: the Federalist papers explained the understanding that the States ratified.

      Besides, the States “ratified” the version under which we currently operate, and that reads (from the U.S. Govt archives):

      Amendment II

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    • Jeffrey,
      I suggest, the first half of the RIGHT, merely suggests to the “People” they should organize, practice, and join in the common defence of the nation. For example the “War of 1812″.

  4. “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves … and include all men capable of bearing arms.”
    -Richard Henry Lee

    “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it nut downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined … The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
    -Patrick Henry

    “To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them. ”
    -George Mason

    “On every occasion [ of Constitutional interpretation ] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying 9 to force) what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, (instead let us ) conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
    -Thomas Jefferson

    PAGE 1

    There is no doubt that the Founders and later scholars meant the 2nd Amendment to mean The People = The Militia. And that a well armed Militia was necessary to prevent and remove if and when necessary a Tyrannical Government….this is absolutely clear !!

  5. This set me thinking. Our military should not be a federal military, but a combination of state militaries, just as we once had state militias. There are several reasons that Republicans should consider this. A state military is unlikely to turn against the people of its own state, which is most likely why federal politicians and the Elitists favor a federal military. We need to return to State’s Rights and state militaries to accomplish better defense. State militaries work well for a reason that was posted either on this or some other blog recently: When the Confederates were all lined up for battle in their usual formations, they faced severe defeat; however, when they broke ranks, found their buddies, and started fighting alongside them, they could win battles. We always fight better when we are with our buddies. Then we are defending home and a shared way of life. Those are the guys we know the best – the grassroots military from the local and state level. Texans tend to like and think like other Texans, Tennesseans think like other Tennesseans, Virginians like other Virginians. Soldiers from the same locale think more alike and work better together. They share a common understanding. Soldiers perform much better when they can identify with each other. The Tea Party operates on the same principle – working hard to effect change on the local and state levels. In addition, citizens need to be able to band themselves into militias in the event of invasion or a tyrannical government. State’s Rights necessarily create less national cohesion, but that national cohesion in the form of a behemoth federal government has not served us well. American needs much less unity not more unity. The people of all states are not alike, and they will never be alike, nor will the citizens of all states ever want the same things from our federal government.

      • That is WHY our Founders DESPISED a Federal ARMY in times when there is NO WAR and why our Founders re-iterated the need for local militia’s, to be called upon in times of need. Much like the “Swiss model.”

      • ‘I cannot imagine a federal militia intentionally turning against its own citizens……..unless you’re a shrink named Hasan.”

        Constitutionally, they cannot. Their officers are required, by oath, to reject that order as unlawful … even if coming from the president himself. There is a term for that, but I cannot remember the term.

        I suppose our dear benevolent POTUS will likely instead form his own militia through the Homeland Security thereby once again circumventing the US Constitution.

        • @Augger,

          beck addressed this today. he posited that Obama would not be above asking NATO to “assist” should it ever be deemed necessary to put down a ‘rebellion,’ and I agree: Obama would do so if he thought it would succeed.

          • “beck addressed this today. he posited that Obama would not be above asking NATO to “assist” should it ever be deemed necessary to put down a ‘rebellion,’ and I agree: Obama would do so if he thought it would succeed.”

            Never thought of that angle. Interesting. Would I have to subscribe to Beck to see his opinions on the matter?

            Edit note: Isn’t it a damn shame we’d have such a divisive President that we would even have the occasion to speculate on something like that? Says a lot about the man that we even have to go there.

            • Augger,

              No, he discussed this on the radio. HOWEVER, his “TV” shows have been VERY worth the cost of subscribing. Tonight, there will be a 1 hour show with Dr. Barton on the founders’ understanding of and arguments for the 2nd Amendment. Last night, he went over how he thinks Obama will come after our guns. He swings the hammer of Thor on the TV show, whereas, he has to be a wee bit more subdued on the radio (sponsors and all, you know).

          • If he can make the case that a civil rebellion is placing the rest of the world in jeopardy, he could then claim he was doing it “for the greater good.”

            Now, could you make that case if you tried? And if you can, how hard do you think it would be for Obama — especially with the propaganda mill we call the MSM behind him?

  6. PAGE 2 To add to Aurora’s List of Quotes..

    “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defence.”
    -John Adams

    “The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the Unted States who are peaceable citizens from Keeping their own arms.”
    -Samual Adams

    “… arms … discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property …. Horrid mischief would ensue were ( the law-abiding ) deprived the use of them.”
    -Thomas Paine

    “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”
    -Joseph Story

    “This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty …. The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Whereever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, LIBERTY ( Freedom), IF NOT ALREADY ANNIHILATED, IS ON THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION.”
    -Sir George Tucker

    ……Through “Taxes” and *Executive orders* (to bypass Legal Constitutional Congressional authority) and the *Assault on the 2nd amendment* by the Press, Hollywood and The Obama Democrats,…..our Freedoms are slipping away FAST…or being stripped instantaneously by Executive Orders.

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