Get Your Children Out of the Public Indoctrination Centers! (That’s Public Schools for Those of You in Obamatopia)

Our schools are being used to indoctrinate our children to fear firearms.  This is intentional and is part of a government agenda aimed at disarming this nation so we cannot resist open tyranny.  Here are just a few of the stories about the gun issue:

Conservative Actor: Teacher Threatened Police Action & Questioned My Son’s ‘Mental State’ Over Photo of a BB Gun at School

Actor, entrepreneur, and writer Joseph C. Phillips, best known for his roles as Martin Kendall on “The Cosby Show” and Justus Ward on “General Hospital,” says his son’s school threatened police action after the student showed his friends a picture of his new BB gun.  They also reportedly questioned his “mental state.”

7-Year-Old Boy Reportedly Suspended for Making ‘Gun’ Out of School Pastry

A 7-year-old student at Park Elementary School in Baltimore has been suspended for two days after playing with his food at school, Fox45 reports.

High School Student Disarms Gunman…Gets Suspended?

A Florida high school student wrestled a loaded gun away from another teen on the bus ride home this week and was slapped with a suspension in return.

The 16-year-old Cypress Lake High student in Fort Myers, Fla. told WFTX-TV there was “no doubt” he saved a life after grappling for the loaded .22 caliber revolver being aimed point-blank at another student on Tuesday.

Now, do you suppose any of these schools/teachers tell their students that the NRA was established by former Union officers to help protect free blacks from the KKK after the Civil War ended?

Black Conservative Releases Hard-Hitting New Ad Equating Gun Control to Jim Crow

Star Parker, the black conservative who founded C.U.R.E. — the Center for Urban Renewal and Education — is raising eyebrows with her latest 30-second ad released late last week title , “Never Again.”

The clip, which presents powerful images of the KKK and hangings of blacks in America, also makes the case that the latest round of gun control laws could threaten the safety and security of African Americans.

So, why do you suppose they would want to keep that from the children?  Do you think it might be connected to the same reason the schools will not teach that the real reason for the 2nd Amendment is so the People can defend themselves from a government such as the one Bush started and Obama is continuing?

And when your friends tell you that I am teacher bashing, ask them to read these stories:

Indoctrination? Houston Public School Assembly Slams Bush and Heaps Praise on Obama (Update: District Apologizes)

‘Racial Overtones’: HS Students Say They Were Suspended for Wearing Flag Bandanas and Chanting ‘USA! USA!’ at a Basketball Game

Texas Teen Suing School District After She Was Punished for Not Reciting Mexican National Anthem in Class

Texas Lesson Plan Instructs Students to Design Flags for a ‘New Socialist Nation’

‘I Felt It Was Indoctrination’: Public High School Under Fire for Allegedly Teaching ‘White Privilege’

Bill Ayers: The Left Must Utilize Its ‘Absolute Access’ to America’s Classrooms

Then have them tell you, me and the rest of this nation how many more of these stories I have to post before they will accept that our schools are no longer educating our children, they are indoctrinating them?

SOLUTION #1

A lot of people keep asking me: “What can we do about it?”  Well, here is solution #1 — and I am dead serious:

GET YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM!

Yes, I know it will be difficult.  Yes, I know if will be inconvenient.  But you either love your children and care about their welfare or you don’t.  You either care that they learn about the principles of liberty and the value of the individual or you don’t.  You either care that they will have a chance to grow up free or you don’t.  You will either act or you won’t.  But if you don’t act, then stop complaining.  It is one thing not to vote and complain because our voting system is suspect.  But to have a course of action this clear and beneficial laid before you and NOT to act is to admit you have a different set of priorities than what you say you do.  It is that simple.

And for the record: I have close family members in the local school system and my wife and I are still thinking hard about taking our last child out of school and letting him learn at home his last few years.  Computers and on-line instruction make it easy and, frankly, when our youngest had to do this after surgery, his grades improved by nearly a full point and he worked about 1/2 the time he spends in school.  So don’t think of reasons why you can’t do it, start looking for ways to just make it happen.

[Note: If any of your friends attack these stories because they came from The Blaze, you should ask them why they would trust sources controlled by the same people who run these schools.]

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31 thoughts on “Get Your Children Out of the Public Indoctrination Centers! (That’s Public Schools for Those of You in Obamatopia)

  1. The foolish 7-year-old should have made a model of a penis with his school pastry. I promise he would’ve received an A.

    I don’t think it is practical for some to take their children out of school. That said, if the parents are involved, they act as a buffer. I know that Mr. Kells and I are very involved. I have met the teachers, save for the Social Studies dude. I have only sent him some “sweet” e-mails. The Math teacher is a piece of work. As Obama would say, let me be clear: My son is the sweetest and most honest child you shall ever meet (how he was conceived from me is a mystery.) So when he tells me this bitch is is making fun of him for asking a question (basically, she made a joke that she had already explained it and made Pieface the brunt of her joke, much to the amusement of the other kids,) Mr. Kells told him to tell her, “Isn’t that what you’re paid to do?”

    • Kells,

      How long do the average parents have their children each day, and what are they doing during that time? A few hours, and eating, bathing, homework — IF the kids are lucky — then bed? And how long does the government have to indoctrinate them? Do the math and tell me who wins.

  2. The government isn’t in schools to indoctrinate students. Students form their own opinions based on people who they interact with. As a future educator, I take offense in the idea that I am in a school to represent a government agenda to indoctrinate students. This is obviously not the case in schools, and your argument has little validity. Although the students who were suspended in this article should not have been suspended, there is no reason to take your child out of public school for the reason of government manipulation. Also, on a side note, your child is doing better in an online environment because the curriculum provided is easier than that taught in school thus why there is a grade improvement with little time being spent learning.

    • Chris, I would have to disagree. I home-schooled both of my boys for one year using the A Beka program, and it was an extremely tough curriculum. The beauty of home schooling is that you are able to tailor a curriculum using several different sources to educate your child in an individual manner.

    • modernday,

      Then I would STRONGLY suggest you read what Bill Ayres has to say. He has picked up the mantle of John Dewey, so read Dewey as well. Then look for the connection between both men and Marx. It is there. In fact, Ayres admits to Dewey and Dewey to Marx, so this isn’t even a matter of my opinion — these men have openly admitted to it. And BOTH have said the role of the schools is to “make” perfect citizens.

      So, I regret that you are offended, but truth is what it is — irrespective of how we “feel” about it.

      • @kellsbellsfrompc: I don’t disagree that homeschooling is negative, but in many circumstances online learning is actually easier than learning in a school setting. As someone who has taken part and also done research in the area of online learning, I have found that students aren’t challenged as much during an online class/session.

        @Joe_Bakanovic: I appreciate your response. However, Dewey’s perfect citizen was someone who is actively involved within society (political, economical, social, etc), and a free thinker who could contribute to the well being of society. So in that sense, yes, Dewey wanted the perfect citizen and we must allow our children and students to think freely about the world. In a classroom setting teachers will challenge their students’ thoughts and perspectives thus creating an opinion that is guided by the teacher, but solely decided by the student. The beauty of public school is that it is ‘real life.’ Whether you believe it or not, a public school is a microcosm of the neighborhood in which a student lives. This allows the students as a whole to interact and gain different perspective. I appreciate you’re opinion and that is why I commented on your article. However, I also think you should be aware of the different perspectives while considering writing about a subject like this. I often find myself in the same circumstance in trying to come up with a radical solution, but I’ve learned to listen, observe, and understand that the world I have experienced is limited and that there are a variety of different perspectives that are out there. Thank you for providing another perspective for me.

        • modern,

          That is NOT what DEWEY said!!! Once again, I would strongly urge you to read what DEWEY wrote — not what others say he meant but what HE said he meant. Dewey had no concern for the things you claim, he simply wanted people who would do what their leaders told them to do. Strangely enough, the Communists found that he had succeeded when they interrogated our POWs in Korea. Those who were older than 30 (before Dewey) refused to break; those under 30 (who had been through Dewey’s school) gave in to whatever their captors wanted.

          PLEASE LEARN REAL HISTORY! That’s another aspect of Dewey that has undermined our society: the notion that one can re-write history to suit your political agenda. But then, Dewey did say man was god and the teacher is the prophet ushering in his new kingdom…

    • Have to call crap on that, online courses are the biggest joke I have ever seen. I have two children in one of the finest school districts in the United States (top 100), and the onslaught of these ridiculous e-lessons to the point of exclusion of the printed word is utterly outlandish.
      If online courses are so miraculous why not video one teacher, and show the lesson every year, fire all teachers, and hire minimum wage babysitters?
      As to a government agenda, you realize of course that curriculum standards are not up to the teacher, but the GOVERNMENT right? Therefore you are there to teach a government agenda…

  3. @Joe_Bakanovic: Dewey argued ‘plasticity’ an openness to being shaped by experience: “The inclination to learn from life itself and to make the conditions of life such that all will learn in the process of living is the finest product of schooling.” This is a quote found in the New York Times. Dewey is also quoted as saying… “The self is not something ready-made, but something in continuous formation through choice of action.” Education in sense is an opportunity to form perspective and learn about a variety of perspectives. It is in sense to make a perfect citizen who can be open minded and grow to understand others. Thanks again for the response, I appreciate your thoughts!

    @kellsbellsfrompc: I agree. If the parent is active in the child’s learning than that child will succeed. The same can be said for public education. I do think home schooling can be good, my only concern in home schooling is the lack of socialization and the potential for children to be indoctrinated by their parents. However, again this is based on the parents themselves, and their involvement in their child’s education.

    • modern,

      I am WELL aware of what Dewey said — and even more so as to what he MEANT!@ You — as a product of Dewey’s influence — do not see it for the same reason that a fish doesn’t know it’s wet. That is not meant to insult: it is just a statement of fact.

      It must NEVER be forgotten that Dewey was a Progressive and card-carrying member of the American Communist Party. He visited Revolutionary Russia and came back excited about THEIR school system. He advocated it for America. Dewey was a Marxist — which is why he is heralded as “America’s best/only philosopher.”

      Now, you say Dewey wanted people to think? The please explain why he said:

      “Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming where everyone is interdependent.”

      Dewey believed 2+2=5 was acceptable:

      “Were all instructors to realize that the quality of mental process, not the production of correct answers, is the measure of educative growth something hardly less than a revolution in teaching would be worked.”

      That’s why our schools are failing today. Dewey also believed that man was god and the teachers are the prophets who are to teach students to worship themselves — as well as to conform to the society OTHERS create for them:

      “The teacher is engaged not simply in the training of individuals, but in the formation of the proper social life…. In this way, the teacher always is the prophet of the true God and the usherer-in of the true Kingdom of God.”

      Dewey also said it is the job of the school to make kids as unlike their parents as possible.

      • The fact that he had his own communistic believes does not disvalue his contributions to education and philosophical thinking. In sense, the ‘communism’ he inherited was to promote equal opportunity in schools; providing each student with an opportunity to succeed in society and in the work force. The “proper social life” in which Dewey refers to is taken out of context in that he perceived to have children conform to a certain lifestyle, however his proper social life is one where everyone can understand each other. Its an idealistic approach, but one that can not be argued as a terrible desire. In regard to the teacher being the prophet, he envisions the teacher as shepherd to guide students to think freely and leave their biases behind.

        The quote “Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming where everyone is interdependent,” is a quote that is often used by those who question Dewey, however there is no true source as to where it originated. Some scholars have discounted the quote because it might have been a paraphrase that was taken out of context. You can find an article of the quote here… http://www.notnews.org/philosophy/dewey-think-for-themselves/

        Also, the article uses this quote, but Dewey also stated (and this is documented) “Democracy will be a farce unless individuals are trained to think for themselves, to judge independently, to be critical, to be able to detect subtle propaganda and the motives which inspire it.” Tough to argue he didn’t want children to be free thinking.

        Dewey’s legacy and quotes are in fact a matter of perspective. I view them differently from you and you and I view them differently from someone else. I honestly won’t tell you that I’m 100% correct, simply because I am only trying to understand what Dewey wrote (which is actually a very challenging thing to do!). Even if I was able to speak with Dewey, it would be very difficult to grasp some of his ideas…I guess that goes with being a philosopher and all :)

        Disagreements happen, and I’m happy we had this conversation/debate. Again, it was nice to see a different perspective, especially one that challenged mine.

        • Modern,

          You are accepting Dewey’s words on face value. If you take them outside of the context of the Progressive movement — to which he was a founder — then you “could” come away thinking he meant well. HOWEVER, once you understand what Dewey is saying in the greater context of his political ideology, that is no longer possible — at least, not if you believe in individual rights and liberty. Dewey promotes the collective: society over the individual. But like all Progressives, he cloaks his goal in traditional language that paints a false image of something to which Americans are emotionally attached. In this case, it is the individual and liberty. But Dewey was more interested in comfortably to society than the individual. HE WAS WRONG ON ALL COUNTS! The state of our modern school system is a stark testimony to his wrongness and failure.

          • Is he not implying that becoming individualistic is beneficial to the society as a whole? You are right that Dewey wanted to create an equal society, however he also believed that in order to achieve this, students must explore other perspectives and through their individualistic could form a society that is perfect in the sense that everyone can understand each other. Is this a utopian idea…yes, it is very utopian. There is failure in the school system, however it isn’t one that was introduced by Dewey, but by too much government involvement in competitive high stake testing (which you can find an article of that topic on my blog http://www.moderndaychris.wordpress.org). In sense, I think your argument is valid in terms of Dewey, however I am also aware of the other perspectives of him out there (including my own). I do disagree with you on the current state of public schools and the exaggeration of telling people to remove their children from public school. There are things that need to be worked on in the public school, and that is why I write my blog and want to study and become involved in a curriculum overhaul. However, there are also downfalls in private, charter, cyber, and home schooling. It is up to the parent to decide where their child learns and in certain cases what they learn. It is extremely important to also consider that although our public school system needs updating, we still have a very good public education program. As someone who also studies world education (as I have taught in Ghana and Austria), I have seen how the American public system is a good system. We need to make tweaks to make it better and to develop further into creating students who think more critically, however there is no reason to remove your child from public education for indoctrination.

            • modern,

              I realize you won’t understand this, but you are a product of Dewey’s agenda, which is also why I suspect you do not realize you are illustrating my point. Trust me, I mean no insult, I just think you have accepted Dewey’s philosophy, and his philosophy is not what he claimed it to be — just like that of Marx.

              • I’m a product of his philosphy in that I believe children should be free thinking and should develop an ability to produce their own thoughts (having it neither come from the parents or the school). I want children to be able to match their perspectives with others and understand that the world they live in isnt’t only what they are used to. A lot of my ideology comes from my time spent abroad. Although we have different perspectives, I value yours and understand what you mean. I’ve put a lot of time and effort into my responses and have used my experiences to state what makes sense to me. If you compare my ideology to Marx then so be it, the ideology I have currently is only based on experience and research. I am not offended if someone see’s me in that light; again because it is a matter of perspective. I believe I do differ than Dewey in the sense that a society cannot be perfect; there will be flaws and that is a known fact, however if people begin to understand other viewpoints (such as religion, political philosophy, etc) we would be able to communicate with each other in a more free thinking and accepting way. I hope what I stated makes sense. It’s apart of what I believe and I’m sorry if you disagree with that and if given the opportunity would love to speak more with you on the topic.

                • modern,

                  I apologize if I came off as dismissive or rude. I didn’t mean to do so, but this is a topic that I have entirely no sympathy for. If you’re interested, I took time to explain it in some detail. Look for my latest post, Phooey on Dewey. Also, if you wish to discuss this directly, you can find my email address in the contact information in the right margin.

                  Just understand: I don’t give a rip what others told you Dewey believed because I have actually read DEWEY! I let the man speak for himself. When you do that, especially if you understand the political side of the man, he may not seem such a noble character to you.

        • modern,

          Do you know why it is so difficult to “actually understand Dewey?” Have you ever read his work? Not his pull-quotes, but the body of his work. I have. I have 5 of his most important works and, when compared to men I would call “real” philosophers, Dewey sounds as disjointed as Hitler and Marx. So I suggest the reason you do not understand Dewey is because Dewey didn’t understand Dewey. He had a political goal and he was trying to jam it into the natural order of the world and they simply do not fit together.

          Now, as for the claim that Dewey wanted students to think for themselves. That is an example of taking him on face value. Read the entire body of his work — not just on public schooling — and one starts to get the sense that what Dewey means is he wants the children to be insulated from counter-indoctrination: to be able to resist what I am trying to do here, now, with you. And your push-back demonstrates how well Dewey’s methods worked in this regard.

          But I’ll say it again: the clearest evidence that we have as to the failure of Dewey’s ideas IS the modern American Public Education/University system. And why? Because — per Dewey’s direction — students have been left to “teach themselves.” But then, this should come as no surprise as it is well known that Dewey saw traditional education as “worthless tradition.” So, 2+2=4 is worthless, but 2+2=5 is “education.” And we wonder why Dewey is so despised by those who actually understand…

  4. Chris, no offense intended, but it is educators like yourself that are the very reason my grandchildren are home schooled. We have chosen to continue working so that we can support our kids ability to afford to educate their own children. We believe there is no greater responsibility than to raise your own children and that includes educating them. Admittedly, we are fortunate that circumstances allow us this freedom and we recognize that many families cannot afford to do so, especially in this economic climate. It is hard for us but we sacrifice and make it work.
    Like many, your comments show that you have typed ‘homeschoolers’. These children are afforded social interaction, do develope the age appropriate social skills and function publicly quite well.
    Your statement: The government isn’t in schools to indoctrinate students. Students form their own opinions based on people who they interact with.
    is the very reason Joe’s advice is right on! Those teaching our children have, like you, formed opinions based on the people with whom they’ve interacted. You’ve been indoctrinated and now you want to indoctrinate. The cycle continues.
    The fact that you don’t recognize this identifies you as part of the problem with our public system.

  5. My goal is to inspire students and challenge them to think critically which is apparently a crime. If we don’t inspire children to want to learn about other people, their perspectives, and how to work with others regarding differing opinions, then how are we supposed to work together as a nation? Yaya, you mention that I have an opinion, and that is right (as we all have opinions). However, I think you’re missing the boat on this issue. Sure a teacher can indoctrinate a student, but so too can the student’s friends, and so can the student’s parents. A student can be indoctrinated by anyone they come in contact with. When they meet other people, they learn from them because they share different perspectives and experiences. My experience in both Ghana and Austria provide students an opportunity to understand the differences in cultures. Although I might not be able to grasp the complete experience being abroad to them, I can try to give them an idea of the different cultures in Ghana and how they effect the entire country. I’m saddened that you wouldn’t want me to teach your children, simply because I am not trying to indoctrinate them, I am trying to engage them in real life scenarios, where they will eventually meet people from all over the world and understand how they operate and why they think they way they do. If anything, I’m trying to broaden their viewpoint.

  6. What parents need to do is use the power of the vote. Watch closely what your kids are being taught. Read their textbooks and compare it to what you know and any original sources you can find, be they relatives that lived at the time or hard and soft copy. Meet with other parents and discuss what is going on. Formulate questions for the school board about what your kids are being taught and demand, yes demand answers! And make it absolutely cler to the board that if they do not meet your satisfaction, you will work to remove them either at the next election, or if allowed, immediately by recall.

    • Bob,

      In theory, yes. But your local school is no longer local. It is controlled by the State, and the State by the Fed. This pretty much negates local control and the people who did this know it. :-(

  7. Sure parents have a right to their children what they want, but in the end is it not in the child’s interest to explore other views? If the child is born into a Christian family and only know Christianity how can that child judge that other religions aren’t for them? I’m not trying to take the moral teachings of the parents away and that isn’t my job. I simply want to create an environment where students can learn about other cultures and people (because I am going to be a Social Studies teacher). Like I mentioned prior, I’ve spent a year abroad and have encountered cultures that have challenged my beliefs. For example, in Ghana teachers have the right to cane their students. Do I believe in this? No. However, I respect their practice because that is part of their culture. Who am I to go into a culture and change what is important to them? I’m not trying to persuade children of anything, but simply giving them the facts of the world. There are people out there with different views/experiences and you must know that you don’t live in a bubble. I was sure shocked at some of my lifestyle changes I made while studying in Ghana for four months, and that my comfort zone in the U.S. is very different abroad. And this stimulation of cultures and perspectives are crucial in an era of global connectivity.

    • I apologize, the first sentence should say… Sure parents have a right to educated their children the way they want, but in the end is it not in the child’s interest to explore other views? It’s really early here in Vienna, and didn’t really think to reread what I wrote.

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