WARNING: This is a long post, but it is one of those important posts that help explain how many seemingly different and/or un-related events are actually connected by a common thread. It’s also about the welfare of your children, the future of this nation and the survival of mankind’s individual rights and liberty. I hope you’ll take the time to work your way through it.
If you are a teacher, you will probably object to the reality that I am about to expose. You probably think of yourself as a good person having sincere intentions, so you will refuse to believe what follows because you do not want to believe you are actually a part of it. But I ask you: do you think that every German soldier in WW II was a member of and supported the agenda of the NAZI Party? Or do you think there were good, sincere Germans who served in the German military simply because they believed they were serving their nation? If you accept the latter possibility, then you must accept that you could be in similar shoes, and then, that my claims may be true after all. Examine the evidence for yourself and then decide, but look past the surface, past the claims of those pushing this agenda and to the effects it will have in the end. And be sure to judge the intentions here according to the historic results of those claiming to have similar “good intentions in the past.
For the rest of you, I would ask that you take the position of the skeptic and demand that the government makes its case before you accept their claims of trying to make things better – because the historical record suggests that is the wiser and more prudent position to hold. The same people pushing this agenda have had control of our education system for decades and, having made a mess of it, they are the ones now proposing a “solution” to fix the problem they created. Why would one ever trust such people – especially with something as important as the education of our children and, hence, the continued survival of the nation?
The Topic is COMMON CORE, a new, nationally driven standard for ALL public education – even home-schoolers. It’s already in many of our States, including my home State of Florida. Here’s a link to the announcement and an “official” description of what the program claims to be. But what is it, really? It is John Dewey’s utopian dream come true – on steroids: the very embodiment of what Hitler meant when he said:
Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?
I would strong urge you to reject the “official” description of Common Core: it is nothing more than propaganda designed to make the public accept even tighter chains of slavery in the name of “education.” In reality, it is the implementation of mandatory, cradle-to-grave indoctrination. It is 2+2=5 for the masses. This program is the perfect illustration of what happens when you refuse to be “Nudged” in the direction that our masters want us to go. This is the shove. If you still resist: well – eventually – they will “liquidate” you. That is how the people with this mentality and who pursue this agenda have always worked, and we have nothing but the past by which to judge the future. But knowledge of the past is one of the things that will be erased by Common Core, and, no doubt, to prevent you from learning why it is so valuable – especially for a free and self-governing society:
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past.
–Patrick Henry
Dewey, a card-carrying Communist and strong advocate for Communism in this nation (see my post on Dewey) started the Kindergarten program so that he could take our children out of the home, away from the influence of their parents and get his hands on them as early as possible. (seriously, read my post on Dewey). Then Bush started Head-Start – for the same reason. No, it wasn’t sold that way: it was sold as an aid to “education” as well as (by implication) child care. Now Obama is expanding this program to a point where children are out of the stage where they are totally dependent on their mothers and fathers. But this is not for education as the government claims, it is for indoctrination and it is done in pursuit of the same ideas and for the same reasons as it was done by these men:
The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother’s care, shall be in state institutions at state expense.
–Karl Marx
Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
–Vladimir Lenin
These “early education” programs, coupled with the ever-increasing encroachment by the government into the home and on parental rights also serve another goal of these same men – the destruction of the family:
Destroy the family, you destroy the country.
–Vladimir Lenin
You doubt that this is a direct assault on the family and religion? OK, let me explain how it works. You see, they do not want to make the attendance of public schools “mandatory” because they fear that may alarm too many people and they may wake to what is going on. Besides, they want to be able to say that you are still “free” because you still have a “choice” to home school. Instead, they are going to make Common Core mandatory. So, while you are still “free” to home school your child, they will have to learn the Common Core curriculum if they want a government certificate which will be mandatory if they wish to go to college. And, if they do not get that government certificate, well, that will be proof of “child abuse,” which will then mean the government has a moral obligation to “protect” the child from his/her parents. After all, if you want a good job, you need a college degree; and a college degree will require a government certificate; and the certificate can only be obtained by completing the Common Core curriculum. So, denying your child a certificate is denying them a right to a good job and, thus, clearly child abuse (there’s the “shove”).
This same avenue will be used to erode any attempt parents make to teach their children to have faith in God. They don’t have to directly attack religion; all they have to do is make it mandatory that you answer A. God does not exist in order to pass a class or two (another shove), and, if you don’t pass the class…
Common Core erases and/or re-writes history to suit the government’s designs. This is straight out of 1984 and every Statist dictatorship that has ever been:
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
–George Orwell, 1984
Common Core teaches Communism in a positive light and attacks Capitalism as though it were the source of all evil on the planet. If you don’t believe me, click on this link and watch a little video that has been in grade school for some time now.
Common Core is intentionally designed to dumb kids down, using “new, scientific” teaching techniques that actually destroy a child’s ability to do simple math problems, let alone ever learn high order math. And it takes away any chance the Parent’s might have to help their children because there are no text books. This way, you don’t have any idea what’s going on in your child’s class. And if you try to ask their teachers, the teachers won’t tell you because they have to sign confidentiality agreements that swear them to secrecy upon penalty of being fired – or worse.
But why would they want to dumb kids down? Simple: control. If they can send their kids to real schools but everyone else has to send their kids to Common Core schools, they create a de facto ruling class simply because their children will be the only ones educated enough to know or do anything. What’s more, it becomes a hereditary ruling class by default. And when they want to allow in fresh blood, they will give promising “candidates” a “scholarship” to one of these private, “real” schools. If you doubt that, you need only but look to the way our Ivy League schools work and how the majority of people running our industry and government can all be connected to these schools. Then look to the man in the White House and the path he took to get there and you will see a clear illustration of the process I just described – which is where I got the idea in the first place.
Now, go back to that video, “The Story of Stuff.” That video is produced and put into our schools by the TIDES foundation, the same organization that is pushing Common Core. TIDES is a George Soros funded and driven organization with direct ties to the White House, and, by coincidence, it also has direct ties to William Ayres, who wrote:
Now read that title again: “Teaching Toward Freedom: Moral Commitment and Ethical Action in the Classroom.” First, the title admit to what I have been trying to explain to people for several years now. These people believe they have a moral duty to save you from yourself. How else could education ever be considered a “moral commitment?” Then there is the question of how – or better, why – would we ever allow a non-repentant terrorist and murderer talk to us about ethics and morality? Which then brings us directly the question of what –exactly — does Ayres means by “freedom.” Given that he is a self-admitted Marxist Revolutionary, it is doubtful that his notion of freedom has anything to do with that of our founding, yet he is one of the principles behind the Common Core. Are you still willing to accept that there is nothing to worry about here?
But, not to worry, Common Core doesn’t just stop in the classroom – it comes home with you, too. It tracks vital statistics such as to what political Party a child’s parents belong; how much they make; whether or not they go to church; which church; and whether or not they own a firearm. Now, how long do you suppose it will be before these questions find their way onto a test that must be answered to get that certificate? You say that will never happen? WRONG! It already has. Google schools asking children about guns sometime. I mean, they have your doctors asking you as a requirement to get your “free” Obamacare, so why not the schools? But then, if they have the information from the doctor, they don’t have to “nudge” your child, they have already “shoved” you at the doctor’s office. And make no mistake, All of that data is being compiled in a central database and they are already using it against you – along with the information they get from your smart meter, cell phone, internet, Facebook, Tweets, etc…
I have to admit, I got caught a little by surprise on this subject. Honestly, this is an issue where Glenn Beck is schooling me, but then, Beck is just helping to sound the alarm by informing his audience about work that has been done by others already. And, to be honest, I shouldn’t have been caught by surprise. Having read most of Dewey’s work, and then some of the work by his heir apparent, William (Bill) Ayres, I should have made the connections and expected something like this on my own. After all, why else would a violent, unrepentant revolutionary Marxist and convicted terrorist like Ayres spend more than 15 years in elementary education at a level where he could help set the national curriculum if not to work toward something like Common Core? All I know is that, if this is not defeated, Common Core will be the end of this nation and those who even know that man was once free – let alone the principles of liberty.
ADDITIONAL READING:
Rotten to the Core: Obama’s War on Academic Standards (Part 1)
By Michelle Malkin • January 23, 2013 09:43 AM
This year, I’ll be using my syndicated column and blog space to expose how progressive “reformers” — mal-formers — are corrupting our schools. One of my New Year’s resolutions is to provide you in-depth coverage of this vital issue that too often gets shunted off the daily political/partisan agenda. While the GOP tries to solve [...]
Rotten to the Core (Part 2): Readin’, Writin’ and Deconstructionism
By Michelle Malkin • January 25, 2013 11:10 AM
Common Core learning: The Gettysburg Address “word cloud” Here’s the next installment of my Rotten to the Core series. I’ll continue to post resource/background/activist links at the end of every post. See also the links below to my previous critiques of GOP-led national standards efforts and related posts on dumbed-down curriculum/Everyday Math. There are many, [...]
Rotten to the Core, Part III: Lessons from Texas and the Growing Grassroots Revolt
By Michelle Malkin • March 1, 2013 09:28 AM
Click here for full-size map from Common Core watchdog Truth in American Education This is Part III in my continuing series on the rotten Common Core nationalized academic standards scheme. Read Part I here and Part II here. Read feedback/reaction from parents, educators and activists here. Here’s a handy primer on “How to Fight the [...]
Rotten to the Core: The Feds’ Invasive Student Tracking Database
By Michelle Malkin • March 8, 2013 09:41 AM
Rotten to the Core: The Feds’ Invasive Student Tracking Database by Michelle Malkin Creators Syndicate Copyright 2012 (This is the fourth installment of a continuing series on nationalized academic standards known as the “Common Core.”) While many Americans worry about government drones in the sky spying on our private lives, Washington meddlers are already on [...]
Attention, parents: Common Core opt-out form now available
By Michelle Malkin • March 11, 2013 09:11 AM
Courtesy of Truth in American Education, you can now exercise your parental rights to protect your children from the nationalized Common Core racket. Download, print, Facebook, tweet, and share the opt-out form. The revolt is growing. Make your voice and your choice heard. *** My Rotten to the Core series: Rotten to the Core, Part [...]
Rotten to the Core: Reader feedback from the frontlines
By Michelle Malkin • January 31, 2013 12:54 PM
I have more installments of my Rotten to the Core series on the federalized national curriculum “standards” coming next week. (See parts one and two here and here.) In the meantime, I’m sharing several of the e-mails pouring in from teachers, parents, and activists across the country who are fighting this juggernaut across the country. [...]
Principal: ‘I was naïve about Common Core’
From The Blaze:
CSCOPE: Exposing the Nation’s Most Controversial Public School Curriculum System
Is the ‘Common Core’ Initiative Dumbing Down America’s Students?
Common Core Sparks War Over Words Among Literature Teachers
‘Let Go of the System’: How Can Parents & Teachers Stop CSCOPE?
[NOTE: I used to dismiss the notion of "the Illuminati" and other such stories -- but no more. While I do not know what the truth really is, I know enough now to be 100% certain that there is a collection of self-appointed people who think of themselves as "elite" and who believe that they have a moral duty to "save mankind from itself." The interconnection between so many seemingly un-connected events in our world today makes it impossible to believe otherwise. If you do think that these things are not connected, it is most likely because you do not know about the connections. Rest assured, if you take the time to look for them, they are there. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS SITE AS THE PLACE TO START.]
Joe,
Beat or Beast.
Fixed.
Hey, the progressives are the reason I can’t spell — seriously, they are
I’ll read the entire post tonight during my Rio Norte Line Hour.
Jeez, Joe …… and I thought I got longwinded. Great stuff in there.
I’m assuming you are aware of Charlotte Iserbyt’s book, “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America”? She was canned from the Reagan Administration for blowing the whistle on the communistic contortion of our education system for roughly 70 years before she discovered it.
The sickening part if it is all those treasonous presidents and members of the legislature who allowed it all to take place as they were either threatened, coerced, blackmailed, or bribed by the eugenicist banking families and industrialists, both here and in Europe.
BR,
Wasn’t aware of her book, but then — honestly — I don’t need anything more than the work I did into Dewey and crew (though I have read many more modern books on the subject). This bad seed goes right back to Dewey.
PHOOEY on DEWEY!
I have to take Malkin with a grain of salt. She makes many good points about the education issue, here, but I wish I didn’t have to parse her material. In one of her books, she supported the internment of the Japanese during WWII.
This whole issue over the terrorist paranoia is basically what takes place in the human body when we have major false perceptions, our stress level increases, and body chemistry gets too far out of whack; then we see EVERYTHING as a potential threat …….. in some cases we even see our own body tissue as a threat, which we then call an auto-immune response.
When we get to that point, we start to destroy ourselves. And look where we are. The globalists are continually distorting people’s perception of the truth, raising everyone’s stress levels through downward manipulation of the economy, and people lose that “connectivity” and the discernment between friend and foe. They then throw in Aurora and Sandy Hook just to stir up the pot.
BR,
Understood: agreed — HOWEVER, you should take everyone with a grain of salt — especially me. But what you should then do is track down the references provided and verify for yourself whether or not there is truth in what they are telling you. Even Satan can tell the truth — if it suits his purpose. So we should never dismiss something simply because of the source (though, in some cases, what a person believes, says and does SHOULD be taken into account when considering anything they present).
Joe,
Understood. I research A LOT and have to give out the same suggestion to people who read my stuff. The odd thing here seems to be that we no longer have that “comfort zone” within the overall economy to where members of the population could sit back and at least take some things said by others on faith and that insecurity then has them questioning everything.
What this comes down to is that no one trusts anyone anymore, primarily because they don’t trust themselves being able to survive in this new “hostile environment” of increasing violence and uncertainty and that feeling then becomes projected on everyone and everything around them.
And, since all this is formulaic, I don’t believe for one minute that the PTB have not intentionally engineered this current setting ……… all around the globe. They have dumbed down the citizens of the US to the point where those citizens have no historical perspective with which to gauge the events the PTB are using to dupe them into believing we have a terrorist problem. The only terrorists we have are all wearing $4,000 suits.
BR549,
Have you been to the Middle East? I have. TRUST ME! We have a terrorist problem. HOWEVER, it is largely due to the fact that we have become a secular humanist society. Were we still “trying” to follow in the founders’ footsteps and to live according to the principles of our heritage, Islam would still be a problem (read the Qur’an and Hadith, you’ll see), but it would be LESS of a problem (because we would give them less fuel with which to stoke their fires).
It all comes down to the fact that the Western world (not just us in America) has largely abandoned the one thing that allowed it to exist in the first place: the Judea/Christian ethic. Without it, man would have never known individual rights and liberty and with it gone we’ll return to the darkness of before.
Not in the Middle East, but lived in the Far East for a couple years, along with Central America. There are good people and bad people everywhere, and that includes here in the good ole USA. And yes, we also have our extremist hotheads over here, spiritual siblings of the extremist hotheads over there.
As far as the Quran, both Islam and the Judeo-Christianic religions stem from the same Abrahamic roots. One might say that Judaism and Islam had a lot in common until Christ came into the picture with the “Son” and “Holy Ghost” parts, and that is where Islam parted company. Islam actually reveres Christ as a prophet; but they see only God and see the other two parts of the Trinity as something other than “just God, alone”. I don’t want to generalize too much, here, but the development of Islam from Judaism, was just a parallel evolution in man’s conceptualization of the divine, not unlike what happened with the branching off of Hinduism by Buddhism. Again, it has all been an evolution.
So when we go back into the Old Testament and find the roots of the Abrahamic religions, we find an incredible amount of hatred, fear, violence, vengeance, and it hardly looks like anything any sane person would want to adopt, but that was the way the world was back then ……. well to some degree (See: 1 Samuel 15:3). Yet somewhere, in the course of that evolution, the sages saw the need for keeping the divergent formerly pagan-worshipping tribal masses under one roof and, once there, then convey a series of allegorical (if not also occasionally historical) accounts of the workings of the mind of man and eventually mold it into something where they wouldn’t be trying to blow each other’s brains out (See: Romans 12:19-21). And while 1 Samuel 15:3 would be shared among both, Romans would stand out in the New Testament. The not so odd thing, however, is that with Islam also being a later evolutionary departure from the Old Testament, it too has passages equivalent to Romans 12: 19-21. But who on either side is paying any attention enough to read those? They are still justifying their hatred so those later texts will pass right over their heads and mean nothing to them.
As people read their respective tomes, it was like children within a family hopefully reaching some stage of maturity where they no longer saw themselves having to be the center of the family. The growth of an individual within his own family would then pass from infancy to a toddler, then through the teenage years, on into adulthood, and finally into that stage where, like in Hinduism, at the age of 40, people would shed their physical possessions and take to the road in order to focus on the next step to more fully realize God.
Unfortunately, for the most part, the body of those in the Abrahamic religions are stuck between the toddler and teenage phases. The allegory of Ishmael and Isaac, if it even does have any historical truth to it, represents the struggle between quarreling siblings growing up in that family, with each one selfishly vying for the attention of the parent; in this case, God. It’s pathetic really, that after the sages in both camps have written exquisite passages elaborating on man forgiving his enemies and exercising compassion, that so many members of both camps can still, after thousands of years, only justify their continued hatred of one another …… just like the immature toddlers/teens who still NEED to see the family revolving around them.
Again, the Quran has almost identical references, ……. once the extremist hotheads got past their having to justify hatred and were able to look at the true beauty of the Quran. In the end, the better parts of the Quran read like the better parts of the Tao Te Ching or Baha’i and even the Bible. The fact that we still have so many angry and ill-informed people on both sides of the pond justifying blowing each others heads off only means that we have such a long way to go in man going beyond his genes.
Such a big topic’ so little time.
BR,
My friend, you do not know much about Islam. This is not an insult, just an urging for you to go study it. For example, Islam did not exist until Christ had risen for some 600 years. Islam is a perversion of the Judea/Christian religion. Per Muhammad’s own words, he cannot be a prophet because he descended from Ishmael and ALL prophets come from Isac. It gets worse for Islam, as their holy books COMMAND jihad until there is ONLY Islam.
BR, I KNOW this religion — and the lies that are told to protect it. I would suggest you learn it, too. Do not learn from the people, learn from the Qur’an and Hadith. It’s like learning about the Judea/Christian faith by actually reading the Bible: you learn a lot that no one ever told you.
No insult taken, so I hope you don’t feel that way either. I am not defending Islam any more than I have to to defend Christianity or Judaism. They are, after all ….. just religions, spiritual vehicles to help confused people make that often complex connection with the divine. I’m sorry, but your interpretation of Islam is flawed, as is your assessment of the history involved. I wish you had taken the time to grasp the larger message of my last post. Far too many people get into the second paragraph, their hackles go up, and they miss the rest entirely.
I’m well aware of the Islamic timeline. I’m also aware that those pre-610 CE tribesman were still chopping each others heads off in competition between paganism, Judaism, and the still emerging Christianity. Mohammed’s beef was in people worshipping ANY other entities beside God himself; e.g. Christ or even acknowledging the Holy Spirit.
The argument is akin to modern day people attempting to access their ‘spirit guides’ to help with their problems instead of calling upon Christ, directly; ……. when one opens that “doorway”, who knows what might step into it and pretend to be someone else. This doesn’t mean Mohammed had all the answers, nor does it mean that Christ’s impact on Judaism was in any way flawed. For that matter, both Christianity and Islam were departures from the Old Testament.
Get yourself out of that box and look at the larger picture. It is all about the evolution of human consciousness. Meanwhile, those who don’t grasp that understanding will continue to labor under the belief that it is always SOMEONE ELSE or someone else’s BELIEFS that threaten their existence. Those feelings are projections and, while you are suggesting that I read the Bible and the Quran, you haven’t shown me that you even understand what Romans 12:19-21 was about, because, if you did, we wouldn’t be volleying over this issue. And to the extent that people continue to ignore Romans and similar passages, just as much as the ignorant among the Muslims continue to invest in their hatred, as well, then we might as well just throw in the towel and admit that we haven’t gotten ANYWHERE since the time of the Crusades.
The real beauty in the design of the Abrahamic line of religions has been in its inherent ability to show people where they were stuck in their process; well, that’s if followers actually read the respective material. The problem seems to be that the 400 level material within the curricula was mixed in with the 100 level components and people run off mistakenly believing they have mastered their respective works, when they are still having to repeat the 2nd grade.
Eventually, ALL of the major religions ALL embrace the same basic tenets ……. ALL of them, and that includes Islam. The fact that a large number of their population are still STUCK in the 2nd grade, so to speak, only serves to illustrate that WE have as many people on this side of the pond who are stuck in the exact same place, only in a different book, because if we were actually practicing foreign policy according to Jefferson, and were respectful of other peoples’ rights to self determination, we wouldn’t be in this dilemma. We are now having to reap what we have sown and this distasteful “blowback” people are experiencing is just our own image in the mirror of failed government and a lack of adherence to principles.
Sorry for my lack of brevity; it’s a bad habit.
BR,
It is NOT my “interpretation” of Islam and it is NOT flawed: it is straight from the Qur’an and Hadith. There is not “interpretation” needed: I read the books (translated by respected Muslim clerics) and took them at their word. they say what they say — PERIOD!
Muhammad’s beef? You do not know the history. Muhammad said Allah (the Moon god, Baal, btw) has daughters!!! They removed this as “Satanic verses,” but how can Allah have 3 daughters but not a son? And, if Satan can speak through Muhammad, then — AGAIN — he is not and cannot be a prophet because you can NEVER trust ANYTHING he says.
Next, Christ is NOT a “departure” from the OT: He is the fulfillment of it! Christ is in the OT from the first to the last — Jews just did not recognize Him.
I am not in a box, and this is not about the “evolution of human consciousness.” Man has not changed, nor will he ever. There is nothing new under the sun.
Nor do I fear other people or their beliefs. I know who it is that threatens me. This is why I see the continuous connections throughout history, and why I recognize the repeating patterns.
I do not think you understand Rom 12:19-21, yourself. That, or you are projecting something into my words that is not there (which would bring us to other passages of the Scripture you may also have trouble with).
The bottom line here is that I am NOT “ignorant of the Muslims.” I am fully aware of the cults history and I know bloody damned well that it is something to be concerned with — but not feared. Nor is this “close-mindedness.” It is the result of personal study because I was concerned with being told the wrong thing. And, in this case, I am 100% CORRECT! And I can support it with the Qur’an and Hadith. And this is also why I know Islam is not part of the “process,” but an abomination of it.
One more thing: Jefferson disagrees with you on Jefferson — or are you equally ignorant of his thoughts about Islam and actions in the Barbary Wars?
Just because corrupt and piratical caliphs chose to abuse their own Quran, how is that any different from corrupt and hegemonic Western bureaucrats who chose to ignore the Bible and steal from other countries while hiding behind the United Nations? WRT the Barbary Wars, they were about commerce, NOT religious ideologies, but thank you for demonstrating my points, all the same.
Now why did I know that was going to be your reply? Are you a Muslim? You know, you just told a fib
No one “corrupted” the Qur’an (though I am aware early scribes claim this to be the case, it is just that people “added” to it — and then, mostly to the hadith). The Qur’an says what it says, and Muhammad is the one who handed down Allah’s command of abrogation. You will NOT find ANYTHING like this in the Bible: quite the contrary. Christ affirmed the Law, He did not abrogate it.
As for the Barbary Wars, I don’t think I illustrated anything but your ignorance of the lessons Jefferson took from them. He came to understand Islam as a threat BEFORE he became President and was looking for the chance to destroy that threat from the get-go. If that made your point, then you have not made what your point is clear at all.
Personally, I sense a shifting of Karl’s goal posts here
the Barbary Wars, they were about commerce, NOT religious ideologies,
WRONG!
When asked, the chieftan who negotiated for the Muslims told Jefferson that their RELIGION commanded them to do what they were doing. Seriously, you need to read the original texts on these matters. They are available. DO NOT trust ANYTHING from modern text books (anything after 1910 at the latest). You can’t, too many have been deliberately falsified to push a Progressive agenda. Go to the original material and read it. The Barbary Pirates certainly thought they were following their religion, as did Jefferson — and Jefferson said so.
Finally, see what happens when we use our schools to teach ideology rather than simple facts along with the basic principles of logic and how to reason?
BR,
I went back and re-read your last comment. I am more convinced than ever that you are the one with an incomplete understanding of this issue. I think you are looking at it entirely from a secular perspective and, if this is the case, it is no wonder you do not understand.
Also, Islam is evolutionary within itself. The passages you seem to think show mercy have been ABROGATED! If you do not understand abrogation in Islam, then you will not understand why you are wrong. If you DO understand abrogation, then why are you telling me I am wrong? I am not.
As for this re-occurring citation of Romans 12:19-21, I am also convinced that you do not understand it. You are reading it out of context to the times and culture and to the whole of Scripture. Maybe you should try to read your understanding of defending scriptural doctrine as “revenge” against 1 and 2 Timothy?
Also, Islam negates a great deal of the Bible and the Judea/Christian faith. That is hardly an “evolution.”
SO, while you may still disagree, I am quite comfortable where I am, thank you.
OK, so you don’t like me using Romans twice in the same argument. I happen to like that one. Try Luke 6:27, which has a slightly different twist to it.
When Jesus proclaimed in the very first clause, (at :27), “But I say unto you which hear, …………… Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,” THAT is the crux of what have been saying, but before people can “hear” that message, they must first try to understand why they have been having to hang onto their anger and hatred and what purpose do they still serve?
We could go around and around until we both need Dramamine over this and whatever references I cite, you can always find something contrary that works for you, and that is where you need to be, and that is OK.
BR,
You assume I have a hatred and/or fear of Muslims. I do not. That is already in the record here on the RNL — look it up. And I do not need to “find references to refute you,” those passages exist. The notion that I am commanded to love everyone at the expense of all other commands is one of YOUR misconceptions. You must take ALL of Scripture — TOGETHER! There are plenty of commands in the NT that tell us to be discerning, to shun those who refuse correction or reject the Gospel and to hold members of the Church to proper doctrine. I am doing my best to comply with ALL of what I’m told to do and how I am told to live. I feel for Muslims. I believe they have been deceived. I do not hate them. I do not fear them. I feel no need or desire to “judge or avenge” anything against them. I just said that Islam IS a threat — because it is. I do not say that because I “believe” it, I say it because I know it and I know it because Muslims are commanded to wage war against the world until EVERYONE submits. I am simply trying to live with the objective reality I have discovered.
Joe …… whatever floats your boat, but please stop with the assumptions already.
If you are not making assumptions, then why are you throwing scriptures at me in a context that suggests you think I harbor a hatred or fear of Muslims? What other purpose for Romans, or Luke?
Look, BR, if I have misunderstood you, that is on YOU! It is ALWAYS on the writer to make himself clear in situations like this and, if you look, you’ll find where I have openly admitted my failure to do so in past RNL threads. So please don’t assume I am trying to attack you here, only explaining that I am reacting to what seems to be a clear intent in your comments.