This story puts to rest any doubt about this President’s loyalty to our only real ally in the Middle East. This is tantamount to openly advocating for an attack on Israel. Heck, Obama might as well have declared that Israel needs to dissolve itself because, given its strategic situation, the pre-1967 borders are not defensible and will lead to war. But then, I suspect that is exactly what this closet Muslim of a President wants:
JERUSALEM (TheBlaze/AP) — Israel’s pre-1967 borders will be the basis of renewed peace talks between Palestine and Israel, according to a letter U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry gave to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas which guaranteed the stipulation.
Now, before the rest of you anti-Semites out there start in about how Israel is an oppressor – don’t even try. Israel was attacked, their attackers lost. Israel owes them nothing. Besides, the Arabs living under Israeli rule will tell you they prefer it to Arab rule. Ask them – but do so in private, away from Arab ears. And that is the reason they prefer Israeli rule.
Furthermore, I will not tolerate attacks on my position claiming I am some pro-Israel supporter. I am, but for religious reasons only. And where my faith is concerned, Israel doesn’t need our help. History has proven this and will continue to do so. My concern is for what an attack on Israel will mean for the rest of the world. If you think we have it bad now, just wait until the nukes start flying in the Middle East. Then see what it costs to fill your tank, cool your house or even buy groceries for your kids.
No, this is not good news. And if Israel is actually going to agree to this – and I suspect they didn’t know anything about it before Obama played this card – then there must be some serious behind the scenes extortion going on between Obama and the Israelis.
Those who understand this region and what the pre-1967 borders means for Israel know I am correct about all this.
The Rio Norte Line 
Please, all you Muslim Nations declare war on Israel. It’s time, you have Obama’s support not to aid Israel. He has already cut a deal. We don’t need no stinking Jews anymore.
Now after you have clutched your heart and told Elizabeth your coming to join her we need to remember what is going to happen to all of these Nations and their leaders. They are going to be utterly destroyed by God.
So let Obama the little egotistical boy that thinks he’s smarter and wiser than God (sound like someone else we know) lead them into oblivion.
Israel can’t be defeated and the USA is now too cowardly run to protect Israel anyway.
Chhelo,
Let’s not forget that we will reap that same wrath for NOT standing with Israel…
Joe,
I agree the USA will reap what it sow’s. As a nation we are already in danger of judgement. Same sex marriage, abortion, a government that tossed God under the bus long ago and a populace that is comfortable with every sin under the sun.
Prepare for a food exit strategy:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 – Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Chhelo,
I’m not counting on being one who remains because I know how bad things are supposed to get before that happens. So bad that, had God not shortened the days, no one would survive.
Who’s Elizabeth ?
Fred Sanford’s wife for Sanford & Son. Remember every time he was going to have a heart attack he told Elizabeth he was on his way to join her.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhRwfhxco7A&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhhRwfhxco7A
Joe, I hate it when we are correct…
==== head shaking ====
chhelo, are you in Texas too?
Texas,
Yes, and hoping we can keep it a bastion of Liberty.
I came across this Poem recently …..
” And I said to the man who stood at the gate of the year :
‘ Give me a light, that I may tread safely into the unknown !’
And he replied :
‘ Go out into the darkness and put your hand into the Hand of God.
That shall be to you better than light and safer than a known way.’
So, I went forth , and finding the Hand of God, trod gladly into the night
And He led me toward the hills and the breaking of day…”
— Marie Louise Haskins–
Don,
A lot of Truth and Wisdom in that poem. Thanks for sharing it.
So, to go on a slightly related rabbit trail, in regards to other posts that I have seen on this site concerning end times prophesy, where do you guys think the US will stand when we start getting into the heat of the end times? At least anybody here who adheres to the Christian faith. I have heard from different sources that there is no mention of a western empire that interpreters would take to mean the US. Just interested to know what you guys think.
Joe,
Is it possible to write a blog post on end times and the US?
I have tried, but I do not feel I am the proper authority on this issue. There are others FAR more knowledgeable and imminently more qualified than I.
But if there are no other takers, and people express and interest, I’ll do my best.
Not sure if this helps …. But I THINK what will happen is a reflection of what has been put into motion via the Obama Admin and the Patriot Act / NDAA and like Legislative acts.
And that is …. a LARGE percentage of the US population will be suportive of Israel…..Both the Religious and secular population.
But the mechanisms for STOPPING that support are already set in motion…..including the re-instatement of the Indefinite detention of US Citizens just a few days ago, ala the NDAA. The Possible coming conflagration will allow the Goobermint to claim extraordinary Crises powers which will be “legitimized” by the age old “rule of Law” argument, and thus even a segment of the population that would normally cry-out against the lack of support for Israel will be intimidated into silence.
Libercrite,
I have studied this from several angles and I do not find us mentioned in prophecy — at least not directly. The most likely possibility of the U.S. and Western world in general being mentioned is found in the reference to the ion and her cubs. As the lion was a symbol for Christ, a king or leader AND for England, it is hard to tell. But it is possible the lion is England and America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are her her cubs. As these are the only nations that tend to support Israel, and prophecy mentions the lion and her cubs coming to Israel’s defense in the end times, this does seem a likely possibility. However, something must happen to us before this happens as prophecy mentions the Beast as being irresistible. This suggests the U.S. military may no longer be the force it once was.
It is a very risky thing , trying to interpret the prophesies of Revelation. Remember that John says at the end:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I have always thought that we dwell too much on HOW, and not enough on Thank you Lord for giving us such a perfect gift. Remember how Jesus taught us to pray: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done….
And then John closes out the Holy Writ with
:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
I would only echo John’s words ” Come quickly Lord”
REVELATION is a mystery in a mystery. When it is time to know, we will be given knowledge. AMEN [ meaning SO it has been said, so it should be (or will be )]+
If we concentrate on living a Christ -exampled -life, the rest will just fall into place.
Ralph,
Everything you say is true. However, in studying prophecy, I have come to understand that Revelation is a re-telling of what was already foretold in the Old Testament by the other prophets.
The wars mentioned by the prophets are the same as that mentioned by John in Revelation. We know this by studying the details surrounding them. It’s just that John adds some details missing from the OT, but then, the prophets include some things John leaves out. Taken together, we get a good idea of what is to come, but not enough detail to start predicting anything specifically.
Keep in mind, Christ told us we would know the season. And Daniel told us that the last generation, the one that sees Christ’s return, will unlock the mysteries of the scroll he was told to seal up. Now, IF, IF, IF the interpretation of the Beast being the Islamic Caliphate is correct, then this could be what Daniel was talking about when he said the last generation would understand. Also, this is the first generation that can understand the plague he described, where the victims’ tongues and eyes boil in their heads and their flesh rots/melts off their bones before their bodies hit the ground. What does that sound like?
Yessir , all true. Especially Daniel. But , as I said I think we worry too much about what this and that means. The thing that finally got me off of trying to know all about it is when I figured out that “If you know who the Anti-Christ is, you’ve been left behind”. And THAT AIN”T GOOD! So I strive to be gathered in the clouds, cause I don’t know if I’m strong enough to face the Tribulation! I’d rather just Skip it.
Ralph,
That is actually why I started studying prophecy: because I am no longer convinced the rapture happens pre-trib. I believe it does, but I am not sure and the answers lie in prophecy.
That said, I agree: we should live as commanded and with the sense of urgency as though He were returning in the next minute.
Now, as for the anti-Christ: I hope to never know who he is, but if the Islamic view of the Beast and Anti-Christ is accurate — and I believe it is — I can tell you everything except the guys name.
Libercrite,
i am NOT telling you this is the be-all, end-all of prophecy interpretation, but it comes closer to my understanding of how we should be looking at things than most other explanations I’ve read. read it and then do as the Apostle Paul says: test it against the rest of what you know to make sure it agrees with what Scripture/prophecy actually say and not what we read into them:
America in Bible Prophecy
Maybe, Israel being attacked, could be the spark for Americans to wake up spiritually and to reality ….
Impeach for treason… many in government…
And retrieve America…
I’ll keep praying, and searching for truth, out here in the west….
Texas,
If many of the students of prophecy are correct, the next attack on Israel will be too late for anyone to do anything. It will herald the start of the end.
See how this all goes around and around.. The temple hasn’t been rebuilt, and “they” claim the Ark has’t been recovered, so some things to accomplish yet. BUT ,All thing are possible with God.
Ralph,
Yes, I understand. And I know that we MUST be careful not to lead others astray. I try not to. I hope people hear the speculation in my words. But prophecy also says that things will happen so fast in the end. The red heifer has been bred. The Pharisees and priests, the temple furniture, and the priests and their garments are all ready. Then there is the case that the actual temple was located in that vacant lot to the West of the temple mount — a lot that has just happens to be the correct size and has stayed vacant all these years????
As you say: all things are possible with God.
Ralph,
Do you know anything about Islamic prophecy?
Not enough to fill a teacup, or to comment intelligently. It has been said that if you take Revelation end time prophecy, and reverse it , you have Islams version of The Final Imam. Don’t know. I have my brain on overload most of the time with Constitutional stuff and Biblical stuff.. My bedroom is all bookshelves(except for the bed). It’s about 50/50 American History and Bible reference books.
The real problem for me is remembering where I read whatever it is that I am trying to remember. My internal filing system is Phhhhhthth
Ralph,
When you read them side-by-side, the Bible’s Anti-Christ is Islam’s messiah. When you really learn and understand Islam, it is the negation of the Judea/Christian story: they 180 degrees opposed to each other.
Look up Joel Rosenberg and read some of his work. I can give you some others to read, too — IF you are interested — but Rosenberg is the best because he is the most scholarly.
I got to turn in or I ain’t gonna make it to Church in the Morning. There’s an old Gospel Hymn “Farther Along”
Cheer up my brother,
live in the sunshine,
we’ll understand it
all bye ‘n’ bye.
Interesting comments.
I was a skeptic of end time prophesy for a couple years. Not because I didn’t believe it, but because I had to many “yeah, buts” about it. I recently read a couple different books on the Nephilim and their infiltration into high places of government, religion, entertainment, and corporations to name a few things. Scary stuff. I can no longer ignore and deny the signs and evidence that we are already in those times.
You guys should check out “The Nephilim Agenda” (2010) and “The Nephilim Resurgence” (2012) by Randy Demain, if you have some spare time and are looking for a good read. They are both relatively cheap on Amazon and iTunes.
Libercrite,
I know a little of the Nephilium, but this book’s interpretation smacks a bit of the alien lizard people. So far as I know, Scripture mentions them 1 time and then only in passing. The best guess I’ve seen is that they were offspring of Satan and the angels cast out of heaven with him, but who knows? Also, be careful with interpretations like “as it was in the time of Moses…” Look to the whole context before you accept what people claim things like this mean. If you read the rest of the passage this book uses for its authority, you will find Christ then went on to explain that people will be living normal lives up until the end (marrying and dying, etc). If Scripture was trying to point us to these Nephilim, it would be a message that repeats over and over again — it doesn’t. But the message that people will be ignorant of their sinful lives up until the time of judgment DOES repeat throughout scripture.
Anyway, this is how I have come to read Scripture. You may have a different understanding. I just think Ralph is right: we need to worry more about the spiritual lessons Scripture teaches us more than some hidden secrets. The Bible doesn’t really “hide” anything. In fact, it is VERY clear of what it wants us to know. This is why Christ is in the first and last chapter and every one in between 🙂
Good thoughts, Joe. There we’re some moments in the books where I found myself saying “ehh”, but overall it all ends up attributing and flowing into the main vain of end times prophesy. To my knowledge, it doesn’t contradict or refute any work that has been done by other authors or scholars on this issue. It’s basically just adding another angle. Scripture may not flat out say “Nephilim”, but he does lay out plenty of scripture to support such a thing. Either way we interpret this stuff, the bottom line is that it is pointing to some rather not good times ahead.
The Nephilim are important for historical understanding more so than Prophesy IMO. The “Lizard People” thing, also IMO, are a modern artifact designed to Deflect from the Historical “Watchers” and Nephilim.
Well, when you have a congress sitting with their thumbs up their butts, this president has free reign. I think he’s using his power not only to divert, but also to intimidate. Quite frankly, I believe Israel is not in as bad shape as us; we’re stuck with him!
Kells,
Foreign policy is in the Executive, not Congress.
Well, he’s supposed to get the approval of congress before he gives our money and weapons to all of our enemies, er, foreign countries. I really don’t see why he must be the sole arbiter between the two countries, and decide who America’s allies are. It is not the wish of the people, whom he is supposed to represent, to support the Stans.
Kells,
We are discussing Israel and the negotiation, not foreign aid. Stay on topic, my padewan.
Me stay on topic? Y’all were the ones talking about the Nephilim for cryin out loud!
Kells,
True, but we did not try to make foreign aid seem equal to foreign policy in our comments as you were doing.
They are more connected than the Nephilim.
True, but you were committing a dangerous fallacy where anyone who got foreign aid/policy confused with Biblical giants is beyond hope of helping 😉
😕
>chuckles<
I figured as much 🙂
Please don’t be so smug when you make absolutely no sense. 😡
I was making perfect sense; you just don’t understand basic logic (smears “smugnes” all over Kell’s face :-)) )
This article offers a very compelling look into what happens to America in the end times. Beleiving in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture I have found this website very informative on Biblical Prophecy.
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-america.html
Chhelo,
Great minds… LOL I linked to this page last night 🙂
PRETRIB RAPTURE STEALTH !
Many evangelicals believe that Christ will “rapture” them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his “tribulation.” But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father’s right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. (“The Rapture Question,” by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above verses! They were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters”!)
Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel’s posttrib resurrection!) It’s amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the “great commission” for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
Many don’t know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google “Walvoord Melts Ice” for more on this.
Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture,” “The Real Manuel Lacunza,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” and “Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View” – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).
[Howdy, Joe. Great blog. The preceding item was spotted not long ago on the amazing net.]