Just Need More Gun Control, I Guess

Yet another tragic story of gun violence in the wild west of America the UK:

Police are hunting a man accused of gunning down a woman while she was out celebrating her birthday.

Sabrina Moss, of Neasden, north west London, died in hospital after being involved in a double shooting.

Police said she was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time after going out to enjoy her 24th birthday with friends. Ms Moss died in hospital at around 4.20am on Saturday morning

Another 24-year-old woman is in hospital. Her injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

Detective Chief Inspector John Sandlin of the Metropolitan Police said: “Enquiries continue to establish the full circumstances of this tragic incident.

“At this early stage, I believe the two women were innocent parties who were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

The sad fact is that murder begins in the heart, not the hand.

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15 thoughts on “Just Need More Gun Control, I Guess

      • per capita, Utah, our murder rate is 4 times that of Great Britain.
        Still no comment on your misleading link? You and Dusty are two peas in a pod.

        • It’s not misleading, it is true. We have more people and therefore more opportunities for murder.

          The National Gang Center also estimates that almost 2000 of the roughly 16000 US homicides were committed by gangs.

          In 2009, Britain was dubbed:The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

          Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz in their article, “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun,” 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, 1 (Fall 1995):164 noted that guns are used 2.5 million times a year to protect people from crimes.

          Dr. Kleck is a professor in the school of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee.

          More facts:

          Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year — or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]

          * Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3]

          * As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4]

          * Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of “Guns in America” — a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]

          * Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that “only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.”[7]

          * Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. [8] Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as “Saturday Night Specials.”

          • Thanks for the info, but I am referring to your anti-Greg screed of yesterday, based on your link to a bill’s language that, unfortunately was not the bill that was voted on.
            Or, would you prefer that we just think of you as perfect, and move on to the next meme?

            • I’m not sure which post you refer to but here is proof that you are wrong as usual.

              I did link to the House bill for Obamacare but the actual law has the exact same language in it:

              ‘‘(B) ADOPTION REQUIREMENTS; EFFECTIVE DATES.—
              ‘‘(i) ELIGIBILITY FOR A HEALTH PLAN AND HEALTH
              CLAIM STATUS.—The set of operating rules for eligibility
              for a health plan and health claim status transactions
              shall be adopted not later than July 1, 2011, in a
              manner ensuring that such operating rules are effective
              not later than January 1, 2013, and may allow for
              the use of a machine readable identification card.

              The North Carolina voting law was linked to the actual law as well.

              So I’m not sure again what your allegations are – but then you do have a long history of lying about my information, don’t you?

              • You fucking moron, Utah! Try to pay attention, dimbulb, we were talking about the voter suppression law just signed by the governor of N Carolina. You sent a link for the bill in its form as of April 13 or so, and added this touching message….
                Tell us where polls are being closed and absentee ballots are being “cut” and shorter hours are being mandated at polling places. What they are doing is going after same day registration, shortening time absentee voting and tightening up the ID requirements.

                I assume that you are referring to the liberal cause de jour – the North Carolina law that you can read in full here and it has none of your irrational lies in it.

                It boggles the mind how you are fine with Obamacare collecting everything about you to give you something but don’t want to know who votes. You have to report your healthcare ID to the IRS and there is talk of a biometric ID card to get health services. How is voter ID intrusive and unconstitutional and Obamacare ID is not.
                After the SCOTUS struck down part of the Voting Rights Act, many amendments were added, including all the points you pooh-poohed. I provided the link to the bill that was voted on( http://openstates.org/nc/bills/2013/HB589/documents/NCD00025093/)
                , you tried to pass off a previous version as real. Stupid mistake, Utah, or not so clever diversion?

                • I don’t know if you’re just listening to Al and Jesse or what, G. Where are the shorter hours you’re raving about and what’s wrong with having to provide an ID?

                  Early in-person absentee voting
                  Current law: Current law provides for a 17-day early voting window, during which any qualified voter may cast a ballot in person. Eligible voters who are not registered or who have moved may also register or re-register to vote during in-person early voting.
                  In 2014: The measure shortens the early voting window to 10 days, from the second Thursday before the election to no later than 1 p.m. on the Saturday before Election Day. However, the bill requires counties to “offer the same number of early voting hours in presidential elections as were available in 2012 and an equal number of early voting hours in midterm elections as were offered in 2010.” In short, there will be fewer days on which to cast an early ballot, but there could be additional polling places opened – or existing polling places could be open longer – to offset the loss of days.
                  The measure also eliminates same-day registration during the early voting period, a process that has been a target of some conservative critics.

                  Voter ID
                  Current law: Under state law, voters rarely have to show any kind of identification when they vote. An exception applies to voters who register by mail who did not provide a drivers license number or the last four digits of their Social Security number on their application. Those first-time voters are allowed to show one of a number of documents, such as a utility bill or paycheck.
                  Otherwise, most voters only have to state their name and address when they come to the polls to vote in person.
                  In 2013 and 2014: Photo ID requirements will not be in effect until the 2016 elections. However, both the state and local boards of elections will begin publicizing the new requirement this year. In 2014, voters casting ballots in person during the primary and general election will be reminded of the photo ID requirements coming in 2016 and the fact that free identification cards are available.

                  In 2016:
                  Starting in 2016, most voters will have to show an acceptable photo ID when they go to the polls. Acceptable forms of ID will be:
                  •North Carolina driver’s license
                  •North Carolina special identification card
                  •U.S. passport
                  •U.S. military identification card, as long as it is either not expired or was issued within eight years of the date it is presented.
                  •Veterans identification card, as long as it is either not expired or was issued within eight years of the date it is presented.
                  •A tribal enrollment card issued by a federally recognized tribe or a tribe recognized by North Carolina. The card must either have not expired or have been issued within eight years of the date it is presented.
                  •A driver’s license or special identification card issued by another state, the District of Columbia or a territory of the United States if the voter registered 90 days or fewer before the election.
                  •For voters over the age of 70: Any of the other acceptable forms of identification, even if expired, as long as the ID was current as of the voter’s 70th birthday.
                  There are other exceptions for very small populations, including for those with religious objections to having their picture taken and those who are eligible to use curbside voting. Those exceptions are laid out on page 2 of the bill summary by legislative staff.
                  At various points during the legislative session, lawmakers debated whether they should allow other forms of ID to be used. Student IDs for the state-run colleges and universities were a particular point of discussion, but they were ultimately left off the list of acceptable forms of identification.

                  Free IDs: Part of the voter ID program requires the Division of Motor Vehicles to issue a special identification card free of charge to individuals who sign a declaration saying they don’t have an alternate form of photo ID acceptable at the polls. The state vital records office and county registers of deeds will also be required to provide free copies of an individual’s birth certificate and marriage certificate to those who need them to complete the application for special identification cards.

                  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/12/north-carolina-voter-id_n_3745253.html

    • “Britain’s murder rate is 12 per million/year, ours is 48 per million/year.”

      Ok, so we have a statement. I will accept it. Gun’s fault, or person’s fault?

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