I posted something that I thought might add something constructive by offering a possible solution to the problems associated with the foundational teachings of Islam. I found what I thought was a practical, non-violent suggestion as to a possible solution and posted it as an answer to Melfamy’s question “So what do we do?” Then I saw his ridiculous post about Rape (Greg, that is called straw man and false analogy, and I have properly cited both as accusations of fallacious reasoning against your last post. That was a pitiful attempt.)
The issue is that the teachings, the law, the very meaning of how Islam is to be practiced ACCORDING TO ALLAH AS RECITED BY HIS PROPHET MUHAMMAD (as in, THE HIGHEST ISLAMIC AUTHORITY), Islam is a religion of violence that COMMAND its followers to fight non-believers until they either declare there is no god but Allah – or they are killed by Muslim swords. THIS IS THE ISSUE!!!
Proof (Islamic sources cited by translator or Surrah):
Ishaq:576 “Allah and Muhammad humiliated every coward and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle’s squadron advanced into the fray.”
Tabari IX:69 “Arabs were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
Muslim:C20B1N4597 “The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: ‘There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'”
Qur’an 61:4 “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.”
Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.'”
Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'”
Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Ishaq:315 “It was so criminal, men could hardly imagine it. Muhammad was ennobled because of the bloody fighting. I swear we shall never lack soldiers nor army leaders. Driving before us infidels until we subdue them with a halter above their noses and a branding iron. We will drive them to the ends of the earth. We will pursue them on horse and on foot. We will never deviate from fighting in our cause. Any people that disobey Muhammad will pay for it. If you do not surrender to Islam, then you will live to regret it. You will be shamed in Hell, forced to wear a garment of molten pitch forever!”
Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound ourselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”
Bukhari:V4B52N270 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.’ Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.’ Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.’ Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.'” Islam gives Muslims a license to lie and kill.
We pick up the story on page 94 of the History of al-Tabari, [abbreviated account] Tabari VII:94 “Ashraf suspected no evil when Maslama cried, ‘Smite the enemy of Allah!’ So they smote him, and their swords clashed over him. Maslama said, ‘I remembered my dagger and I seized it. I thrust it into the lower part of his body. I bore down upon it until I reached his genitals. Allah’s enemy fell to the ground.'”
Ishaq revealed this in the Sira, or biography, of Muhammad: Ishaq:368 “We carried his head back to Muhammad during the night, saluted the Prophet as he stood praying, and cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been slain, and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'”
Ishaq:368 “Ashraf’s body was left prostrate. After his fall, all of the Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly to his home by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his demise with deviousness. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.” Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'”
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!'”
Soon thereafter, Muhammad ordered Muslims to assassinate Sallam. Tabari, Islam’s earliest historian, explains: Tabari VII:101 “They asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam. He granted it.” Tabari VII:99 “When they got to Khaybar they went to Sallam’s house by night, having locked every door in the settlement on the inhabitants. He was in an upper chamber. His wife came out and asked who we were. We told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. She told us that her husband was in bed. We entered and bolted his door. His wife shrieked and warned him of us, so we ran at him with our swords as he lay on his bed. When we had smitten him Abdallah bore down his sword into his belly until it went right through him. ‘By the God of the Jews, he is dead!’ Never have I heard sweeter words than those. We returned to Allah’s Apostle and told him that we had killed his enemy. We disputed before him as to who had killed him, each of us laying claim to the deed. Muhammad demanded to see our swords and when he looked at them he said, ‘It is the sword of Abdallah that killed him; I can see traces of food on it.'”
Looking to rob a Jewish community for a second time, Muhammad had one of his militants torture an innocent man. The tale is recounted by Ishaq and Tabari. Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.” Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture non-Muslims?'”
I can keep going. Greg, YOU tell me how much more of this you need to convince you that THIS is what Islam teaches is the proper way, the way of Muhammad – the ‘perfect’ man and Muslim??? I can produce it because these are just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. I’ve been telling you to read these stinking books so you can see this for yourself, but you’re so sure you know things you don’t know and that aren’t so you don’t even know what you don’t know.
Oh, and if you are going to try to feed me some more Tu Quoque BS by trying to compare Islam to the Bible, you go find me EXACT comparisons, find Bible scripture that uses these words to describe what God commanded. I have had it over my eyeballs with your willful ignorance. Dude, you wouldn’t know the rules of logic and formal reasoning if they smacked you in the face: because they have – MANY TIMES! And I have yet to see you realize it ONCE!
Then understand that THIS is why Uzoozy’s admission that Muhammad MURDERED the Jews is important: Uzoozy KNOWS that Muslims are to follow Muhammad’s example, which means THESE PASSAGES ARE ISLAM!!!
[go ahead, dare me – dare me to post more. next time, I’ll post the REALLY ugly stuff – the stuff that has ZERO comparison to ANY other religion – the stuff about raping your victims and killing children in the name of Allah. go ahead, tell me that isn’t in the Islamic LAW!]