The Age of Humpty Dumpty

I was thinking about writing something about this – then I ran across this at Foundation Magazine that pretty much sums it up:

The contemptuous Humpty Dumpty, sitting up on his wall, said to Alice, “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—nothing more, nothing less.”

Somewhat perplexed by this, Alice said, “The question is whether you can make words mean different things.”

“The question is,” barked Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

It’s a sad reality that Humpty Dumpty’s attitude is all too prevalent today. Truth has become whatever we wish it to be—that’s all. It is whatever we decide it to be. We are the yardstick We are the master. The old, traditional concepts look the same and they are discussed in the same way, but they do not have the same meanings.

Surely there’s a consensus on truths such as “2+2=4” and “the earth revolves around the sun,” but there’s a whole body of truth that is just as knowable and provides greater comfort and meaning to the human soul. Truths regarding the big fundamental questions – Who are we? Why are we here? What should we be doing? How are we to interact? – that once seemed within our grasp, seem intangible to us now.

Today, truth has come under the Big Top. It is a circus full of sideshows. We have for our approval, an endless cacophony of ideas to consider. The fringes are attacking the core. Nonsense is taking center stage. All opinions and feelings are valid and up for grabs. Society doesn’t consider any truth to be absolute. There are not one but many beliefs, many realities, many truths. Indeed, in our time, truth is stranger than it used to be.

How has this come about?

There’s more at this link.

65 thoughts on “The Age of Humpty Dumpty

  1. It appears to me that the spin doctors have become the most important element of any poitical party.
    Now days it no longer matters what happens, both sides will make it seem as though it was a total win for their side.

  2. This is the real fight. This is why we have tried to raise awareness about so called “post modern” thought where everything is relative. Without an anchor, society drifts. There is a reason that Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. Jesus was stating that there is objective truth in the world.

    I know that B3 and I have shared harsh words about this and the Supreme Court decision but when you have a society that can’t distinguish the truth from a lie – and if the can, they excuse it as OK as long as it is for the “greater good”, we are basically screwed. Obama lied his way into office and into Obamacare, yet apparently half of America doesn’t care or excuses it because we are racists and he gives them stuff (actually promises of “stuff” with other people’s money).

    It is hard to start a revolution when half of the population doesn’t give a shit about freedom as long as they keep getting stuff that other people pay for…and they aren’t going to vote for people running on a platform based on taking it away.

    Freedom is a spiritual concept. Our society has spent years glorifying secular humanism and that leads to a dependence on tactile stimulus – people only care what they can touch, not what they are. “Progressivism” teaches this fatalism – there is no God and therefore when you die, it is over – why be concerned about anything except what you can gather while you are alive? It is a very selfish concept…and a destructive one as well because it tells people that nothing matters but now, there is no future for you to be concerned about.

      • You can call yourself a ‘Progressive Christian,’ but you cannot be both Progressive AND Christian.

        I have tried repeatedly to show you this, but you refuse to listen – even to Scripture. Your notion of ‘love uber alles’ places you firmly inside that camp.

          • I am saying their ideology is not ‘different’ – it is wrong!

            One cannot claim to be an ally of Christ or to believe in His Gospel if one rejects the most basic principles of Christ’s Gospel, and no amount of ‘love’ can or will change this.

            • “One cannot claim to be an ally of Christ or to believe in His Gospel if one rejects the most basic principles of Christ’s Gospel.”

              Agreed. So you might crack open your Bible and see how often Christ refers to helping the less fortunate, versus how often he talks about, say, homosexuality. And we get into trouble when we start describing the beliefs and motives of the same folks that we know the least about. Here’s a post from a pastor that my help: http://reluctantxtian.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/scripture-and-responsibility-or-somone-stole-my-god-and-put-a-bible-in-its-place/

              • PAUL: THOSE WHO DO NOT WORK, DO NOT EAT!

                NOWHERE does Christ tell us to FORCE someone to give because – when you do that – it is no longer charity and there is no blessing in it because there is no free will in the action. EVERYTHING about Christ’s Gospel that concerns salvation and charity revolves around THE VOLUNTARY ACTIONS OF THE INDIVIDUAL!

              • So James, tell me where in the Bible that charity is forced upon us by God?

                In reference to a discussion I recently had with a Liberal Christian (no names… you know who you are…) Even a die-hard atheist like Penn Gillette gets it.

                Charity is voluntary. It comes from a heart of compassion, not at the point of a gun.

          • Kells,
            Is it Christian to continue to give to a man who is able, but unwilling to provide for himself?

            • We give to men who are able at the Rescue Mission. My point is that: The Conservative Christian believes in freewill giving, and the Progressive Christian believes in mandatory govt. giving through its representatives. Their argument is that we voted them in, and so they have the “peoples” conscience when deciding where the giving should go.

              Surely, you know that Christ had to put up with laws and taxes. I just believe the Progressive Christians give more power to Rome and not the individual. I don’t think that makes the Progressive Christian a non-Christian. I believe that they believe in God but have issues with Natural Law.

              I don’t know if I’m makin a lick a sense……

    • “It is hard to start a revolution when half of the population doesn’t give a shit about freedom as long as they keep getting stuff that other people pay for…”

      It’s way more than half. And that’s why, with the Iowa Caucuses coming first in the electoral contests, youl never hear candidates from either party talk about cutting farm subsidies like the ones that “farmer” MIchele Bachmann gets.

      “Progressivism … is a very selfish concept…and a destructive one as well because it tells people that nothing matters but now, there is no future for you to be concerned about.”

      That’s an odd perspective, and one I’d disagree with. Improving education vs. spending more on prisons, and curbing environmental ills are two common “progressive” goals that are much more future-oriented than present-oriented.

      • “Progressive” education is largely responsible for the problems we have today – including the belief that anything goes that Utah is attacking. Your attempt to paint this is a falsehood and defend the Progressive drive to use education as a tool of indoctrination is just more of the problem as i can trace the effects of Progressive education from their source through to today and show you how it has destroyed education – step by step the entire way and name names, even.

      • Yeah, government subsidies are a problem. If you are looking for an argument from me that Bachmann’s are OK because ACORN, Planned Parenthood, NPR or even Ted Turner get subsidies, you won’t get one. Government subsidies are the same as the central planning of Marxist countries. I disagree with all of it.

        Improving education vs. spending on prisons? That’s all fine except for two things – firstly, education doesn’t stop crime, morality does – and we aren’t allowed to teach that in school anymore and secondly, the goals of “improving education” don’t actually improve education, they only spend more money. We are spending more money that we have ever spent and the state of education is not “improving”, it is actually getting worse. Vouchers, closing underperforming schools and firing bad teachers are not goals of the “improvement” programs because the teacher’s unions support “progressives” and so the “progressives” won’t rock the boat by actually doing things to improve the schools if it stops the union money flow. So “progressivism’s” goals aren’t to improve schools, they are to indoctrinate and to maintain the symbiosis between “progressive” movements and unions.

        The same can be said for the “War on Poverty”, we have spent roughly 8 trillion dollars in programs designed to eliminate poverty and guess what – we still have poor people.

        Environmentalism has become more about retarding the advances of mankind than saving the environment. The environmental movement has become the vehicle for anti-capitalism and Marxism and the EPA spends a large amount of its time restricting private property rights in the name of the environment.

        None of what you cite is actually progressive – they are regressive due to the fact that they are not engaged in promotion of anything, only the retardation of initiatives and the restriction of actions.

        • “education doesn’t stop crime”

          No, but there is a correlation between education and crime rate, and education is cheaper. Besides, would you rather have kids in school or out on the streets looking for mischief? http://ncpc.typepad.com/prevention_works_blog/2007/05/education_as_cr.html

          “the state of education is not “improving”, it is actually getting worse”

          That’s a common conservative claim, presented as usual without evidence.

          “Environmentalism has become more about retarding the advances of mankind than saving the environment.”

          Simply opinion on your part, and naturally I think your opinion is inane.

          “we still have poor people”

          Yeah, seems like Christ said something about that. So are you saying that if we didn’t have poverty programs, we wouldn’t have poor people? That’s like saying if we didn’t have health care, people wouldn’t get sick or die. Oh, that’s right–conservatives don’t believe in health care, either, or have some weird idea that we have the best health care in the world.

      • @ James – I am certain that Bachmann gets about as much subsidies as Pelosi gets with her grape farm.

        • So what? And I don’t hear Pelosi claiming to be a conservative who wants to cut “welfare.”

          • Yeah, I don’t see Pelosi jumping out of her hoop-dress blabbering about imposing this tax on her self, or any of her insider investment traders either.

            Oh no, she doesn’t discuss people like Soros, and Buffer. Not the bundlers … oh no. She goes directly for the conservatives to fund her little special agendas.

            That actually makes me want to ask you a question … with the $400+ BILLION dollars that Obama and the sycophants handed over to people like Solyndra and many others …. how far do you think that money would have went to help the people that Obama, and Pelosi “care about”?

            Yeah, and where is your “Obama check”?

            • You’re still pretty clueless about me if you think I’m going to come to the defense of Obama or Pelosi–but you’re changing the subject. You might try re-reading my original comment, in which I was essentially agreeing with a point in Utah’s post (in which he said something to the effect that half of folks were getting government handouts). My comment, to keep you from looking for it (with some emphasis added): “It’s way more than half. And that’s why, with the Iowa Caucuses coming first in the electoral contests, youl never hear candidates FROM EITHER PARTY talk about cutting farm subsidies like the ones that ‘farmer’ MIchele Bachmann gets.”

  3. Kells,
    Is it Christian for one person to decide how much they wish to take from another person against that persons will?

  4. Our politicians claim the goal of our social programs are for the good of people.

    I ask everyone to observe the actual results.

    The actual general or majority results ARE:
    1) people who are able to provide for themselves are encouraged to remain on Americas “social” programs and NOT provide for themselves.

    2) the majority of people who are paying taxes believe they are FORCED to pay too much already. THEFT. “legal”. But still theft as it is against people’s will.

    3) many who are on social program “feel” those Who pay their way are not paying enough.

    4) the bills are not being paid, the money being given away is borrowed. It is OUR children’s and grandchildrens labors. If it is to ever be paid.

    A system which takes from ONE (or a future generation which has not been born yet) against his/her will, and gives to another who is ABLE but chooses to not provide for themselves; CANNOT be based upon JEWISH or CHRISTIAN principles.

    • texas: with “progressivism”, it is all about intent, not results…because who are we to judge if something is good or bad, right? Post modern reasoning states that there is no objective truth, the only truth is your personal truth. If it doesn’t work by any objective measure, but a “progressive” constituent group likes it, success is defined as pouring more tax money into it until they are dependent on you.

      Metrics and goals are for rubes and suckers.

      • Could “we” say?
        For the elite “ruling” class, if the proposed “government program” gains him/her more power or control over others, then the program is “successful.”
        For the “ruled/subjugated” class, if it “FEELS good or FAIR”, then the program is “successful”.

  5. Socialism/communism/Marxism/progressivism/statism is against G-d.

    Why? Because men are placing themselves above other men and controlling them telling them what to do they become the ruler/king/god of other men . G-d commanded : thou shall not have any other Gods before me!

    This is why all STATIST governments outlaw and persecute Jews and Christians.

  6. “This is why all STATIST governments outlaw and persecute Jews and Christians.”

    Really? Folks here keep claiming that we’ve had statists in power for most of our history. Are you really going to suggest that American Christians are persecuted, let alone “outlawed.” Claims like that are what make atheists, wikkans, Muslims, etc. think that some Christians are truly clueless about the world in which they live.

      • To repeat: Claims like that are what make atheists, wikkans, Muslims, etc. think that some Christians are truly clueless about the world in which they live.

      • By the way, you do realize that every member of the Supreme Court and virtually every member of Congress is a Jew or a Christian, right?

        • 5 of the 4 Supreme Court Justices have shown by their decisions, they have put government and themselves before/above their Jewish or Christian religions.

            • Perhaps. I can’t imagine Christ being near as big a fan of corporations as the court or most national politicians are. But that’s hardly “outlawing” Christians or Jews, let alone persecuting them.

              • “I can’t imagine Christ being near as big a fan of corporations as the court or most national politicians are”

                Agreed.

                But that has nothing to do with the outlawing of the outlawing of Christian faith public displays “everywhere”. Surely you don’t claim you haven’t heard and read of all the lawsuits the outlawing public prayer by Christians.

                • “all the lawsuits the outlawing public prayer by Christians”

                  Not just by Christians, of course, so they’re hardly “persecuting” Jews and Christians.” And besides,now you’re not including Jews, who actually have filed many of those suits.

                  There’s that whole “separation of church and state” thing, remember? And not wanting to live in a theocracy, I favor that. And unless you think that the same government that shouldn’t dictate business or insurance choices should be allowed to dictate religious choices, you’re straying far from true libertarianism.

              • Why would you presume that Christ have a problem with corporations?

                Your premise is that all corporations are evil, therefore Christ would be against them. I reject that premise, as I think Christ also rejected it. Somehow I seem to recall that Christ was a fan of business and industry (personal productivity) – the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25, v. 14-30) is one instance where he admonished those who wasted money or their own personal skills rather than trying to multiply them. He also called us to be good stewards of God’s Earth – and that does not mean leaving it fallow. At every turn in the Holy Bible, God encourages His people to be fruitful and multiply, to sow and reap, in other words – to be productive. He also admonishes sloth and the desire to collect unwarranted charity. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 says, “For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.” Proverbs 3:27 says, “Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do it.” Notice the qualifier – “to whom it is due…”, and since sloth is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, we own nothing to anyone who does not strive to provide for themselves – this is an indictment against the welfare state that does not distinguish between those who continue to strive and those who sit back and take what society give them – and this includes the people who won’t do work that is “beneath” them and prefer to collect money from the state.

                Christ was not a “progressive” in any political connotation of the word.

                I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, government is just a corporation with no competition, no incentive to listen to customers and no risk of going out of business, unlike every other corporation in existence. Corporations, like governments, are not inherently good or bad, they take on the personalities of the people that they are made of – if the people are immoral and evil, the corporation – or the government – will likewise be.

                • “government is just a corporation with no competition … unlike every other corporation in existence.”

                  Not in this world. Standard Oil and AT&T were broken up because they had driven out meaningful competition. How many choices do you have for where you get your power or your television service? How many two-newspaper towns are there? How do conservative heroes the Koch brothers treat competitors? Your claim is as much a fantasy–albeit a corporate-centered one–as the one that claims government has all answers.

                  “if the people are immoral and evil, the corporation – or the government – will likewise be”

                  Indeed. And now we have most national politicians — and most Republican state governors — wanting to turn things over to the unelected “immoral” corporations rather than having them handled by the “immoral” folks who must respond directly or indirectly to the electorate.

                • Utah,

                  (Hat in hand here) Do you really think Christ would approve of corporations? Yes, I know He would approve of the free market and every man working or practicing a trade to ear his living, but corporations are artificial entities constructed to reap the rewards of collective effort while escaping and personal responsibility connected to those efforts. This would seem to be very similar to the practice Christ admonished the Pharisees for doing when they changed the Law regarding care for parents by saying it was the same to just give the money you would have spent on your parents to the Temple. Very convenient – considering they controlled the Temple funds. Likewise, today, corporations are treated as real people and – many times – given more rights and protections than the people who make their existence possible.

                  I respect your opinion here, but I ask you to reconsider it. If you do not see ample reason to alter your position, I understand, but I would like you to show me where in scripture I am mistaken — please 🙂

                • The fact that they were broken up is validation of my point. Just as corporations are not inherently evil, neither are monopolies. If you want to go that route, how can you logically reconcile that the federal government isn’t a monopoly? Using your examples, you should be for privitization of government services to engender competition – if you are suggesting that competition and the free markets are good. I don’t think you are if you are using Standard Oil and AT&T as examples. These were broken up as much for the politicians fear of the political power of these businesses as any other reason.

                  For every AT&T there is a Xerox, a NCR, and IBM that has been changed by market forces. The federal government responds to no such forces. It does not shrink in response to lower revenues, it either borrows, increases taxes or prints money – all stick the taxpayer with the bill – none of this a business can do.

                  As far as Republican governors turning to corporations, I would remind you that the president with the highest total of contributions from oil companies and Wall Street is Obama – and I don’t think he has changed parties.

                  Corporations can not regulate and change the playing field like governments do, they can’t levy taxes or legislate their competition out of business (as Obamacare did to SallieMae) and your assertion that the government responds to the electorate is only true with elected office holders, who are a small percentage of “government”. The greater bulk of “government” is the unelected bureaucracy which is not responsible to the electorate, survives election cycles and promulgates administrative law via rules and regulations, rules and regulations that are not voted on by any branch of government and in some cases (as with the EPA), have no possibility for review or recourse in court.

                • “how can you logically reconcile that the federal government isn’t a monopoly?”

                  I never said any such thing, of course–I simply countered your argument that corporations didn’t have competition. Those that were broken up were broken up by that thing you guys hate–government intervention. Either your for free markets or you’re not, but don’t pretend to be both.

                  “I would remind you that the president with the highest total of contributions from oil companies and Wall Street is Obama.”

                  Yep (though they’re giving the GOP more money this time). So? Do you suppose that’s why I used the term, “most national politicians”? Now you’re trying to do what you guys always accuse me of–making an argument based on someone else committing the same wrong.

                • B: I can’t tell you one way or the other. Jesus was more concerned that the individual come to God by a conversion of his individual heart than worrying about corporate behavior. He didn’t go to formal organizations to preach, he went to the masses in public where he could speak person to person. At it’s root, it is still individuals, albeit acting in concert. The church is the same. I have to believe that He would have seen this the same as taxes – render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

                  I’m no theologian, so I’m not really qualified to give a definative answer.

  7. FREEWILL giving !

    What about Government programs are FREEWILL ?

    Government DOES NOT equal CHRIST, Christianity, Judaism ! !

    • NO! Christ told His disciples to preach the Gospel, but if they found any town that would not receive their preaching, to leave them in peace (shake the dust from your feet) and leave them to Him on judgment day.

  8. Tex said–Surely you don’t claim you haven’t heard and read of all the lawsuits the outlawing public prayer by Christians.

    He probably hasn’t, neither have I. You can drop to your knees and pray on the sidewalk, pray before you eat in a restaurant, you can even pray before you take a test, In School! There are plenty of lawsuits over prayers led by officials or otherwise sanctioned at government and public school functions, however.

    • And as someone once said, “As long as there are exams, there will be prayer in schools.”

  9. You miss all the stories that have been out there recently because you only listen to/read the propaganda arm of the Leftist agenda (aka MSM). Here is a sampling (and before you object to the Blaze, they cite the original stories in their posts, and most of it has come across the AP and/or Reuters):

    Today Marks the 50th Anniversary of the Prayer Ban in Public Schools (& Here’s the History)

    Was it ‘Oppressive’ for These ‘White’ Christian Missionaries to Distribute VBS Invites Outside a NYC Public School? (Poll)

    Christian Student Expelled Over Her Views on Homosexuality Loses Lawsuit Against GA University

    Conservative Student Group Sues Texas A&M Over Funding Discrimination Claims

    Are Local Media Ignoring Firebombing of Pro-Life Catholic School Bus in Illinois?

    Police Chaplains Banned From Praying in Jesus’ Name at Public Events

    150 Christian Leaders Send Protest Letter Accusing Obama Admin of Creating ‘Two-Class Religious Scheme’

    I could post more, but what’s the use. Those who care about the truth already know Christians are being attacked by their own government, and those who do not care will refuse to acknowledge the reality – even after the govt. starts rounding Christians up. There is historical precedents to suggest that this is actually the norm: it’s just human nature to ignore the plight of those with whom you disagree or for which you do not care.

    • “Those who care about the truth already know Christians are being attacked by their own government, and those who do not care will refuse to acknowledge the reality – even after the govt. starts rounding Christians up.”

      Those who care about the truth already know that America has been invaded by space aliens who head up the one-world government, and those who do not care will refuse to acknowledge the reality – even after the govt. starts rounding people up for food. Stock up on tinfoil, folks.

  10. B, you are being dishonest here, there was no ban on praying in schools, There was a SCOTUS ruling that school=sponsored praying was praying was unconstitutional, but students can still pray, quietly, as Jesus suggested.

    • I am not the one being dishonest:

      Today Marks the 50th Anniversary of the Prayer Ban in Public Schools (& Here’s the History)

      It’s been 50 years since the U.S. Supreme Court first ruled that government-endorsed prayer in public schools is unconstitutional. The landmark decision, which continues to lay at the center of the nation’s debate over the separation of church and state, forever changed the way that faith and religion are handled in classrooms.

      The Atheists — A SUPREME COURT DECLARED RELIGIOUS GROUP — have sued this ruling to attack CHRISTIANS. You can deny wording all you want, but, in light of the ruling that Atheism is a religion, the secularization of our schools constitutes a violation of both the ruling in this case and the 1st Amendment.

      Furthermore, this law HAS been and IS being used to remove CHRISTIANITY from our schools and NO OTHER FAITH! In fact, there is a curriculum in CA that REQUIRED students to live, dress, eat and PRAY as Muslims for 2 weeks as part of a “cultural sensitivity” program. They were even encouraged to “adopt” Muslim names. NO SUCH PROGRAM EXISTED FOR CHRISTIANITY!!!

      The reality here is that you simply do not know enough about the current state of what is going on in this nation to hold an intelligent conversation about it, and when someone TRIES to educate you or show you where to go to learn, your immediate response is denial followed by a search for some leftists spin that purports to “prove” I am wrong. I AM NOT!

      • What part of “government-endorsed” confuses you? And even you can surely read that the complainants in that first case were JEWISH, making the argument about government persecuting Jews and Christians even more nonsensical than it is on its face.

        The reality here is that you apparently do not know enough about the law to hold an intelligent conversation about it.

  11. Yes, B, you are being dishonest, as students can pray in school, as long as they do not interfere with the operation of the school or disrupt classroom activities.

    • So since they can’t interfere with the operation of the school of disrupt classroom activities and there are no allotted times for prayer (except perhaps for Muslims) the time that a Christian prayer can be offered in public would be…never?

      This is the same argument as Obamacare – of course you can pray – we’ll just take away your federal funding that we got you dependent on if you allow prayer… How many prayers – and for that matter, how many performances of traditional patriotic songs – have been banned at graduations and other school functions?

      • “there are no allotted times for prayer”

        Nor should there be–that’s what churches are for, not schools. But in fact kids can pray aloud before classes, at recess, at lunchtime, or after school, or silently in class.

        “how many performances of traditional patriotic songs – have been banned at graduations and other school functions?”

        You tell us–this should be good.

      • Since you brought it up, you tell me, how many performances of traditional patriotic songs have been banned at graduations and other school functions?

  12. Well, when the cat’s away….. I’m a bit miffed right now and must get some things off my chest (speaking of which)……So I go with the boys to play on the jet-ski today. After taking a dip, apparently, one of my bazookas made a grand entrance! Does Mr. Kells warn me? No!! He snaps pics!! Yes, today was a free-show of Kells for everyone! Lovely…..Let me get back on topic, here…

    M., you mention the talents parable; I’ve had this argument with you boys before…

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