Wall Street Journal Sizes Up Obama

Wall Street Journal Sizes Up Obama
 
 
 

A great piece by the ‘establishment newspaper’ 

Wall Street Journal Sizes Up Obama

 
 

A “deadly” article regarding Obama, at the Wall Street Journal, which today is the most widely circulated newspaper in America.

 

Article from the Wall Street Journal – by Alan Caruba:

 

“I have this theory about Barack Obama. I think he’s led a kind of make-believe life in which money was provided and doors were opened because at some point early on somebody or some group (George Soros anybody?) took a look at this tall, good looking, half-white, half-black, young man with an exotic African/Muslim name and concluded he could be guided toward a life in politics where his facile speaking skills could even put him in the White House.

 

In a very real way, he has been a young man in a very big hurry. Who else do you know has written two memoirs before the age of 45? “Dreams of My Father” was published in 1995 when he was only 34 years old. The “Audacity of Hope” followed in 2006. If, indeed, he did write them himself. There are some who think that his mentor and friend, Bill Ayers, a man who calls himself a “communist with a small ‘c'” was the real author.

 

His political skills consisted of rarely voting on anything that might be deemed controversial. He went from a legislator in the Illinois legislature to the Senator from that state because he had the good fortune of having Mayor Daley’s formidable political machine at his disposal.

 

He was in the U.S. Senate so briefly that his bid for the presidency was either an act of astonishing self-confidence or part of some greater game plan that had been determined before he first stepped foot in the Capital. How, many must wonder, was he selected to be a 2004 keynote speaker at the Democrat convention that nominated John Kerry when virtually no one had ever even heard of him before?

 

He outmaneuvered Hillary Clinton in primaries. He took Iowa by storm. A charming young man, an anomaly in the state with a very small black population, he oozed “cool” in a place where agriculture was the antithesis of cool. He dazzled the locals. And he had an army of volunteers drawn to a charisma that hid any real substance.

 

And then he had the great good fortune of having the Republicans select one of the most inept candidates for the presidency since Bob Dole. And then John McCain did something crazy. He picked Sarah Palin, an unknown female governor from the very distant state of Alaska. It was a ticket that was reminiscent of 1984’s Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro and they went down to defeat.

 

The mainstream political media fell in love with him. It was a schoolgirl crush with febrile commentators like Chris Mathews swooning then and now over the man. The venom directed against McCain and, in particular, Palin, was extraordinary.

 

Now, 3 full years into his presidency, all of those gilded years leading up to the White House have left him unprepared to be President. Left to his own instincts, he has a talent for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. It swiftly became a joke that he could not deliver even the briefest of statements without the ever-present Tele-Prompters.

 

Far worse, however, is his capacity to want to “wish away” some terrible realities, not the least of which is the Islamist intention to destroy America and enslave the West. Any student of history knows how swiftly Islam initially spread. It knocked on the doors of Europe, having gained a foothold in Spain.

 

The great crowds that greeted him at home or on his campaign “world tour” were no substitute for having even the slightest grasp of history and the reality of a world filled with really bad people with really bad intentions.

 

Oddly and perhaps even inevitably, his political experience, a cakewalk, has positioned him to destroy the Democrat Party’s hold on power in Congress because in the end it was never about the Party. It was always about his communist ideology, learned at an early age from family, mentors, college professors, and extreme leftist friends and colleagues.

 

Obama is a man who could deliver a snap judgment about a Boston police officer who arrested an “obstreperous” Harvard professor-friend, but would warn Americans against “jumping to conclusions” about a mass murderer at Fort Hood who shouted “Allahu Akbar.” The absurdity of that was lost on no one. He has since compounded this by calling the Christmas bomber “an isolated extremist” only to have to admit a day or two later that he was part of an al Qaeda plot.

 

He is a man who could strive to close down our detention facility at Guantanamo even though those released were known to have returned to the battlefield against America. He could even instruct his Attorney General to afford the perpetrator of 9/11 a civil trial when no one else would ever even consider such an obscenity. And he is a man who could wait three days before having anything to say about the perpetrator of yet another terrorist attack on Americans and then have to elaborate on his remarks the following day because his first statement was so lame.

 

The pattern repeats itself. He either blames any problem on the Bush administration or he naively seeks to wish away the truth.

 

Knock, knock. Anyone home? Anyone there? Barack Obama exists only as the sock puppet of his handlers, of the people who have maneuvered and manufactured this pathetic individual’s life.

 

When anyone else would quickly and easily produce a birth certificate, this man spent over a million dollars to deny access to his. Most other documents, the paper trail we all leave in our wake, have been sequestered from review. He has lived a make-believe life whose true facts remain hidden.

 

We laugh at the ventriloquist’s dummy, but what do you do when the dummy is President of the United States.

We the people are coming!

 

119 thoughts on “Wall Street Journal Sizes Up Obama

  1. “The researchers looked at how high income-tax rates would have to rise in the top two or even three tax brackets to lower debt to sustainable levels under something akin to CBO’s alternative fiscal scenario. They conclude that even if the
    top rates hit 100%, the budget “cannot achieve the debt-reduction targets in some or any of the target years.” Though conceding that near-total confiscation is “completely unrealistic,” they report the results anyway “to indicate the infeasibility of achieving a high debt-reduction target simply by increasing top individual income tax rates.” And this is from economists who favor higher taxes.”

    Desperately Seeking Middle-Class Taxes
    What Obama’s critique of Ryan tells us about Obama’s budget plans.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444914904577615392065706990.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

    • While you are absolutely accurate on Dusty’s post, the same and in many cases, even more damning, information can be found in several books, including “The Amateur” by Ed Klein, “Barack Obama: The Story” by David Maraniss and “The Great Destroyer” by David Limbaugh.

      2016: Obama’s America is also a very strong counter to Obama that isn’t getting a wave of opposition…

      Sure, Obama out slicked Mrs. Slick Willie and trounced a very weak alternative in John McCain in the general election and we all know how well that is working out…goes to show that a being good politician does not translate into being a good leader.

  2. Re: “When anyone else would quickly and easily produce a birth certificate, this man spent over a million dollars to deny access to his. Most other documents, the paper trail we all leave in our wake, have been sequestered from review. He has lived a make-believe life whose true facts remain hidden. ”

    Obama published his official birth certificate from Hawaii, the short form birth certificate (which thousands of people use every year to get their US passports) back in June 2008, long before the presidential election. And he has since then published his long-form birth certificate too, even though the short-form is sufficient. He has shown both the images of them on the Web and the actual physical copies to the press. The facts on them have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, and by the public Index Data file, and by the fact that the Hawaii DOH sent Obama birth notices to the papers in 1961.

    Since there was never a lawsuit against Obama for his papers, only lawsuits to keep him off of ballots, Obama has not spent a cent hiding anything. His records are not sequestered, they are simply private—-and Mitt Romney has not shown his school or college transcripts, papers, passport, parents’ marriage license, Etc. either.

    • Even while debunking Trump’s $2 million claim, PolitiFact acknowledges that Obama has spent some amount of money in regards to the birth certificate situation, which goes directly to eligibility (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/12/donald-trump/donald-trump-claims-obama-has-spent-2-million-lega/).

      As far as Romney’s records, I’m not aware that Romney’s life includes blank periods where there are people he was supposedly around who don’t remember him as there are with Obama. Romney has lived his life in public and in full view…but we know what he supposedly did in high school in the 1960’s, don’t we?

      Even though that story had no legs, it is more than the press has discovered about Obama’s past. Since it has been proven that he fabricates his history to suit his own narrative, why would anything Obama says about his past be trusted?

      • PolitiFact has made an absurd mistake. It has computed how much money Obama spent on legal fees and estimated that some of it was on law cases. But that is not what the allegation in this report was. It did not say that Obama spent money on law cases. It claimed that Obama spent money HIDING his birth certificate and other papers.

        For that to happen there obviously would have had to be at least one lawsuit for his birth certificate or one for his other papers or one for his birth certificate and other papers. A lawsuit to have Obama’s name removed from a ballot does not count. Why not? Because, of course, Obama is not attempting to hide papers or his birth certificate. He is attempting to stay on the ballot, which of course he did.

        And that is the way that it was. There has not been any lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate or just for papers or for his birth certificate and for papers. There were only lawsuits against Obama to keep him from being on the ballot, and Obama defended those, and spent a little money on it, and he won in every case.

        But he did not spend a cent on hiding papers or hiding his birth certificate (which he showed, both the long form and the short form versions of, and which were confirmed by the officials in Hawaii). He didn’t spend a cent because there was not a lawsuit against him for either of those things. He spent money on staying on the ballot. He did not spend money on hiding his birth certificate or other papers.

        Romney’s life includes vast blank periods and we do not know his grades or whether he was disciplined at school or who paid for his college and graduate school. Romney has not released that information, and he does not have to. He has not “sealed” that information. He simply has not released it. Then why cannot we get it from the schools? Not because it is “sealed,” but because the records are protected by federal and state privacy laws. And the same applies to Obama.

        Maybe Obama should release those records. Maybe Romney should release them. But neither have, and neither have sealed them. Maybe the press should try real hard to get the Obama records, using sources and so forth. But, if it does, it should try equally hard to get the Romney records. Neither Romney nor Obama have hidden their records. They simply have not shown them, and they do not have to do so.

      • Unless the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying the birth certificates that Obama showed the images of and the physical copies to the press would be accepted by any court in the USA. Only birther “experts”—-who have not shown that they are really experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial—-have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. These are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review do not believe them. Recently the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that he was born there. Hawaii did, and confirmed that all the facts on the birth certificate that the White House published exactly match the facts on the birth certificate in their files. The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this as a fact proving that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.

      • Dusty is correct,
        Neither electronic image of O’s birth certificate would be accepted in Texas to get a driver’s license today.

        Has anyone seen an image or video of a Secretary of State, or an election official, or a Judge, holding an actual original, or certified copy, of O’s Hawaii birth certificate ? Did O’s press secretary bring an original or certified copy of O’s birth certificate into the whitehouse press briefing for the press to inspect ? Or was the birth certificate just posted on the internet ?

        O couldn’t pass a background check for a job with what little we know, and would be prohibited from most jobs in America, including being a locksmith technician. Yet O may be re-elected to Commander in chief and the top law enforcement officer of America, carrying the keys to “the football”.

        I’m not saying O isn’t a citizen, or wasn’t born in Hawaii.

        Heck, I assume he is both.

        NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE has been produced yet, and NO COURT in America has required PRODUCTION of this EVIDENCE.

        If I am incorrect, and anyone is aware of this evidence being produced in a State or Federal District Court, PLEASE SHARE !

        • No one has ever seen Bush’s birth certificate or Clinton’s or Reagan’s. Obama has published images of the birth certificates and shown them to the press AND Hawaii has stated that it sent the birth certificates to Obama, and stated that the ALL the fact on the birth certificate the White House published are the same as on the birth certificate in the files, AND there were birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only by the DOH, the section of the paper was called “Health Bureau Statistics”)—-yet you think that because a court did not ask to see the birth certificate, and hence it was not shown it to a court, it does not exist.

          Obama’s mother lived in Hawaii. Obama’s father was studying in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that either of them went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961—and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the “born in Kenya” claim and found that it was false. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet you think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.

          • ehancock,
            you presume the opposite of my comment:

            quote:

            “I’m not saying O isn’t a citizen, or wasn’t born in Hawaii.

            Heck, I assume he is both.”

            • What then was your point? That Obama did not show his birth certificate to a court? Well, neither did Bush or Clinton or Romney.

              You said that no credible evidence had been produced. Yet Bush and Clinton showed nothing at all, and Romney has showed only an image of a photocopy of his short-form birth certificate, and has not apparently showed the actual physical copy of it to anyone.

              I agree with you that Obama was born in Hawaii. But I do not presume. I know based on the fact that there is a birth certificate from Hawaii, and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the newspapers, that he was born in Hawaii.

          • My point is NOT whether O is a citizen or not. O is a citizen.

            My point IS: ANYONE, running for political office of ANY kind in America, SHOULD be REQUIRED to produce the appropriate documentation PROVING they meet the REQUIREMENTS.

            This IS NOT a requirement for a U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ? WHY NOT ?

            • Ah, should. In a perfect world a lot of things should happen.

              You have the right to ask your congressman and senators to seek federal legislation requiring candidates to show proof of their place of birth, and for that matter, proof of the citizenship of their parents. But such legislation does not exist, and legislators will remind you how difficult it would be to get that evidence in many case. It seems that about a million or more adopted children in this country cannot get access to their real birth certificates, and about another half million or so had their birth certificate files swamped in Katrina.

              But, if provision is made for such problems, then it is a good idea. But it is not the current law, and since it is not the current law then neither Romney nor Obama has to obey it.

        • Has anyone seen an image or video of a Secretary of State, or an election official, or a Judge, holding an actual original, or certified copy, of Romney’s Michigan birth certificate ?

          • No. And as far as I know, no one has asked for one because the circumstances of Romney’s birth are known thanks to the prominence of his father, George in both public and private life, there was no question about Mitt’s origins…again, not like Obama’s beginnings, so the two situations are not equal.

            I like, Texas, assume that Obama is a citizen by birth. I am more concerned with his tutelage by radicals and communists after his birth than I am where he was born…but you gotta admit, the Kenyan born/author’s bio thing is a bit curious…

            Is he Kenyan or a liar? I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and go with liar.

            • The situations are equal. If you claim that Obama should show his birth certificate to a court, then Romney should show his birth certificate to a court too. If you claim that Obama should show transcripts, then Romney should show transcripts. The fact that there are “questions” does not change the situation. Questions can arise for Romney too.

              If you feel that Obama is a liar, you have the right to vote against him. But his Kenyan bio was the mistake of a publicist, not Obama. The publicist has admitted to the mistake. Obama said in his book the same thing that his birth certificate says, that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii. There is no evidence that Obama ever said anything different. There is nothing to the claim that he attended Occidental as a foreign student—no evidence at all.

              Still, you can vote against him for that reason or for his policies or for anything at all. But we were discussing the claim that there is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is excellent proof that he was born in Hawaii.

            • “And as far as I know, no one has asked for one because the circumstances of Romney’s birth are known thanks to the prominence of his father, George in both public and private life, there was no question about Mitt’s origins…again, not like Obama’s beginnings, so the two situations are not equal.”

              Hell, we don’t even know WHO OWEbozo’s father IS.

        • @tex –
          “Neither electronic image of O’s birth certificate would be accepted in Texas to get a driver’s license today.”

          He wouldn’t need it in Florida.

          Primary Identification
          An Original or Certified of One of the Following Primary Identication Documents

          Certified United States birth certificate, including territories and District of Columbia
          Valid United States Passport or Passport Card
          Consular Report of Birth Abroad
          Certificate of Naturalization, Form N-550 or Form N-570
          Certificate of Citizenship, Form N-560 or Form N-561

    • See my comment above.

      Such legislation does not exist. You have the right to ask your legislators on the federal and state level to pass such legislation. Currently it does not exist, and so neither Romney nor Obama has to obey it. Both have shown at least images their birth certificates (Obama has shown both the images and the actual physical copies with the seal on the back, where it is supposed to be)—but not to courts or to any vetting body.

      It would be interesting to try to design a vetting body that would be fair, one whose members were not appointed by either Democrats or Republicans.

        • There is nothing in the US Constitution that says: “Candidates have to show proof of their place of birth.” If there were, then 43 presidents before Obama and scores more candidates for president would all have violated the law because none of them ever showed any proof. Moreover, you were talking about showing the proof to a recognized vetting body. Well, if there were legislation, it would name whatever agency that was.

          • Silly boy, Texas is correct. http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html Truly, are you trying to play with semantics? I’m quite fond of words…..

            I noticed in an earlier comment that you disputed Politifact. I find it highly amusing when the progressives have the shoe on the other foot so to speak. Quite frankly, I don’t give a fat rat’s tiddely-boomp about any of these “facts” online, The fact of the matter is that this president has done more harm than good. Numbers do not lie, luv; they’re a bitch. And so is the truth.

            • There is no law that says that a candidate has to show proof of her or his eligibility. If there were, 43 presidents before Obama and scores of presidential candidates would all have violated that law. Please explain how this could be.

            • Silly girl, your link proves nothing, at least not the point ehancock is making, and no, he is not playing with semantics . We all accept (as your link states) that being a native born citizen of the United States is a requirement for the office of the president. The Constitution, your link, nor any I have been able to find, addresses ehancocks point. Who (which office, judge, or official) is responsible for holding this birth certificate in his hand and vetting it as authentic? Who, in the qualification vetting process, is required to view this document? Has Romney (or Bush I or II, Clinton, Nixon, etc.) been required to turn their birth certificate over to a designated/qualified person for vetting? Not to my knowledge. Birthers are fond of saying, “We’ve never had this issue before. We knew where all the others were born!” Makes no difference. The vetting process (as Augger said) needs to be specific and a person or office designated to verifiy beyond a resonable doubt, that a candiate does indeed qualify under this clause. Until then, you can’t apply the rules to who you please, without applying them to all. Thumbs down on ehancock’s posts? I don’t see why. He’s right.

              • Say what you will, FL, say what you will! Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I know that I’ve been required to show my identification for every single job I have attained, and I reckon it’s true (as written in the CONSTITUTION) for the flippin POTUS!. Proof is in the puddin, baby. How and why you deny this completely escapes me.

                • Kells, I don’t believe you’ve ever had to show a birth certificate to get a job–and of course Obama has shown his, anyway. This silly birther crap hurts the credibility of both Republicans and the RNL far more than it affects Obama in any way.

                • But there is no law that says that someone has to show it, and 43 of the presidents did not show it. If you would like to pass a law that says that the candidates for the president have to do what you have to do and show ID, then get in touch with your legislators and ask them to pass it. Currently it does not exist.

                • @kells – I’m sure you’ve had to show your “identification” to get a job including your SS number, so have I, but I have never ever been asked for my birth certificate until I went to work for Dept. of Corrections at the age of 56. I did have to provide it then, but please, please show me where, in the Constitution (or anywhere else), it says a candidate must turn over his birth certificate and who he/she is supposed to turn it over to. When you are able to do this, I will happily admit you are correct. I am waiting.

                • James, as far as I can tell, you need only to prove you are a citizen of the US. Obviously, when a child is born in the US, the child is given a Social Security Number (thank you, FDR) so there are means to proving a person’s nationality. Now; do I think Obama was born in Kenya? No. Do I think he claimed that he was? Yes. Do I care? No.

                  Hancock, you’re being incredibly thick….please step a bit closer because I’m losing my temper…..

                  Wills, you mustn’t speak on that time when I was in high school…..(you’ve gotten me into enough trouble!)

              • If OWEbozo’s birthplace was not an issue, why did the Democratic Party not state that he was qualified to be POTUS when they put his name on the ballot? Especially since it is the first time they EVER didn’t state that their nominee was a qualified candidate. Why did Hillary bring it up when she was in competition with OWEbozo for the nomination? Why has OWEbozo beeen videoed saying that he was not born in the USA? Why has MOOchelle said her husband was from Kenya?

                • Why do you keep regurgitating weird birther crap that has been repeatedly show to be false? Indeed, it’s an odd world.

                  • so:
                    are you saying that Hillary didn’t initially bring up his lack of being a natural-born citizen?
                    are you saying the Democratic Party not state that he was qualified to be POTUS when they put his name on the ballot?
                    are you saying that he and Moochelle never said that he was NOT born in America?

                • dusty – Hillary didn’t “initially bring up” the issue of Obama’s birth place or being a natural-born citizen;

                  Birther row began with Hillary Clinton
                  The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans — but supporters of Hillary Clinton, now Mr Obama’s Secretary of State, are largely to blame for starting it. . . .
                  An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii. “Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy,” it said. “She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth.”
                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary-Clinton.html

                  This came as the Democratic primary was slipping away from Hillary. I can’t find any documentation that Hillary ever said anything about Obama’s birthplace. If you have it somewhere, I’d like to see it.

                • Dusty, I’m referring to the original post, which even Utah pointed out is BS, along with your question, “Why has OWEbozo beeen videoed saying that he was not born in the USA?” That was an edited spoof video, which clueless birthers then accepted and promoted as real. I’ve posted the link on this site previously–you can find it for yourself this time. And of course MICHELLE referred to Kenya as her husband’s homeland in the same way that Reagan and Clinton referred to Ireland as theirs.

                  But hey, I’m happy to keep this thread going, knowing that birthers help discredit the GOP and the RNL.

  3. kellsbellsfrompc said: Obviously, when a child is born in the US, the child is given a Social Security Number (thank you, FDR)

    First, even people with green cards can get Social Security numbers, so a SS number is not proof of being a US citizen.

    Second, you do not get your SS number at birth. You get it when you apply for your first job.

    Third, the fact that there are ways of proving your birth in the USA, such as a birth certificate, does not mean that showing it is required to run for president. No president before Obama ever did, nor did scores upon scores of candidates for president. Once again, if you would LIKE there to be a law requiring candidates to show proof of their citizenship, then by all means recommend it to your congressman and senators. But currently there is no such law.

    • I don’t know what you’re on about, Hancock. I received my SS at birth as did my sons. Yeppers, Left the hospital with the birth certificate as well as the SS#. Oh, and I always must show my DL when I vote. I suppose if I were as clever as some (no parties mentioned here,) I would place a vote for my dead grandma. Only problem is felonies really kinda suck.

  4. FL, were you not issued a birth certificate as well as a SS# when you were born? I was, as well as my sons. When you learned to drive, were you not issued a DL? It is really all the proof you need to prove you are a US citizen. (Well, that and wearin your pajamas in the Wal-Mart.)

    To answer your question; on the one hand, you are not required by the Constitution to show your birth certtificate. On the other hand, you are required to prove that you are a citizen. In order to prove that you are a citizen, I refer to my statement from above. (I just hope to hello you’re wearin your Spogebob pajamas now…..)

    • Yes, dear. I was issued a birth certificate when I was born. Somewhere during 3 divorces and multiple moves I lost it. I now have a “certified copy”. No, dear. I was not issued a SS number when I was born in 1952. I got my SS card in 7th grade when someone, God only know which government department, determined we needed our SS numbers and we were issued them during this “drive” through the school system.

      You can prove you are a U.S. citizen with a passport for crying out loud, and guess what? You don’t need a birth certificate to get a US passport. Who, exactly, asked Romney or Obama for their birth certificate. Honestly, I’m not being argumentative. I can just see it. Obama (and Romney) filled out the appropriate paperwork to qualify. Romney said he was born in Michigan and Obama said he was born in Hawaii. They both submitted the required financial statements. Now who, WHO exactly, is/was in charge of vetting all of the documents or did they simply accept them as submitted? Obviously, either no one vetted them because the issue of the Obama’s missing birth certificate didn’t come up until after he qualified, and then it wasn’t raised by a vetting committee or government agency. Is it/was it a flaw in the system? Did someone drop the ball? Hell, I don’t know, but it needs to be addressed. As more candidates with other ethnic backgrounds start to apply to run for president, we should know beyond a shadow of doubt he meets the requirement. God forbid we get a Muslim candidate from the middle east!

      • I will concede with you on the whole SS# issue. It is similar to many people telling me that they are not required to show their DL before they vote. I do not understand this for I am always required to do so. (I’m blond.)

        I still do believe that these requirements are all intertwined in a Big Brother kinda way in order to prove you are a citizen……. but you must….be a citizen. In order to do so you must prove it. Unless you’re that journalist…..

        • Kells – I’m always asked for my DL when I go to vote as well, and rightfully so I might add. The days have long passed when we (the people, the government) can casually accept someone’s word as to who they are or where they were born. Their qualifications need to be carefully checked and vetted. There are enough holes in Obama’s stories that he needed to be looked at closely. If he was born in Hawaii, so be it, but it should have been certified as correct before he was allowed to run, not after he was qualified and there should be a paper trail back to the person or agency that certified him, available for public review.

          • I suppose my point was that in order to attain certain identification cards, one must provide a birth certificate, thereby proving one’s citizenship; one of the requirements of the president.

            I tell you, when I got a copy of my son’s birth certificate for school, I had to provide ID, and the hospital was faxed to retrieve the certified document. It took about 10 minutes. So I do not understand why this silly president didn’t just go to the health dept. in the first place.

            • Obama got his birth certificate from the health department, the Department of Health of Hawaii. He published the short form, the official birth certificate of Hawaii, back in June 2008. He got special permission from the Department of Health for them to create a long form for him, and he published that in April 2011. Both of them have been confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii. The fact that Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file, ad n it is also confirmed by the birth notices that the Hawaii Department of Health sent to the Hawaii newspapers Health Bureau Statistics section back in 1961.

              • “He got special permission from the Department of Health for them to create a long form for him, and he published that in April 2011.”

                This is an interesting statement. Why would he need “special permission”, and why would they have to “create” anything? Create from what? If it was “created” at his birth, why would it have to be created some 45+ years later?

                Not claiming to be a “birther” or any other stupid ass stereotype name you can think of, but having signed a couple of these things myself, your statement makes little sense to me. Just saying.

                • Because Hawaii had switched from the long form to the short form. The official birth certificate is the short form. When it switched over, Hawaii decided to send out only the short form. If you ask for a birth certificate in Hawaii today you cannot get the long form. You can only get the short form. However, if you ask for special permission to get the long form, and Hawaii grants it, then you can get the long form. Obama asked for special permission and Hawaii granted it.

                  Re: “why would they have to “create” anything? Create from what? If it was “created” at his birth, why would it have to be created some 45+ years later?”

                  What is in the file is not an official birth certificate. It is not on security paper. It does not have the seal. It does not have the signature of the contemporary official who certifies it. The method of creating the official physical copy of the long form was to photocopy the document in the file onto security paper, affix the seal, add the signature of the official, and the date at which it was issued—which was not the date on which Obama was born (it was the date in April 2001 when the official physical copy was made, April 25)—and then give it to Obama’s lawyer. That is what the director of health of Hawaii stated in a letter she had seen being done.

                  Do you ask purely out of curiosity or because you continue to believe that the officials in Hawaii are lying about Obama’s place of birth?

                  Obama has published images of the birth certificates and shown the physical copies (with the seal on the back, which one reporter stated that she had felt) to the press.

                  AND Hawaii has stated that it sent the birth certificates to Obama, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that there is a birth certificate on file and that the facts on it match those on the birth certificate in the files, and there were birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. And there is the public Index Data file that shows that there is a birth certificate for Obama filed in 1961.

                  Recently the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm other facts on his published birth certificate. Hawaii did, and the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona accepted it as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.

                  Obama’s mother lived in Hawaii. Obama’s father was studying in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that either of them went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961—and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the “born in Kenya” claim and found that it was false. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet birthers think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.

                  • “Do you ask purely out of curiosity or because you continue to believe that the officials in Hawaii are lying about Obama’s place of birth?”

                    No, I was asking because as a physician who has signed a couple of these documents, you do not go around recreating them. You, and your explanation was going pretty well up, and until this accusation question.

                    Now, you just come off as a ten ton dolt.

                • Okay, you were just curious. The fact remains that others on this site seems to continue to believe that Obama was born in Kenya. For example, I see below that there is someone who is posting the fact that his published bio said he was born in Kenya somehow important. It was wrong, that was the explanation. Obama’s bio cannot make him born in Kenya. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government says that it checked out the allegation that Obama was born there, and it is not true.

                  “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

                  “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

                  http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

                  Apparently you believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. I took the opportunity to post the facts for those who either do not or who are in doubt.

                • Mr. Hancock, let’s play pretend. (I’m very fond of this game.)

                  Let’s pretend I write Augger’s bio for the hospital and claim him to be an OB/GYN. Just outta curiosity, do you think he would let that slide for, um 16 years?

                • Re: ” Do you think he didn’t attend Occidental College as a foreign ( Indonesian ) student?”

                  Answer: No, and what makes you think that he did? The claim comes from an April Fool’s article originally posted on April 1, 2009. In other words, there is as much evidence that he attended Occidental College as a trolly car as that he attended Occidental College as a foreign student.

                  One thing we do know is that he was never an Indonesian Citizen. How do we know? Because we can call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ASK. I did, and you can too to check me, and the answer will be that he was never an Indonesian citizen, and he never had an Indonesian passport.

                  • Well Hancock — not sure who you were responding to there, but since it flagged my account, I will offer you the same thing that you liberals offered the GOP …

                    “Show us the documents, and clear all this up. Takes what, 5-10 minutes?” 🙂

                • Re: Show us the documents etc.

                  Obama has shown his birth certificate twice. He has not shown his college transcripts or papers, but neither has Romney. Since Romney has not shown his college transcripts or papers perhaps he was a foreign exchange student.

                  Re “we will believe them.” Answer, I am not posting specifically for you. I am posting in case a rational person visits this site and wants to know the facts.

                  The facts are that Obama was born in Hawaii and was not an Indonesian citizen and was not a foreign exchange student.

                  • Fact: The sun rises each morning.
                    Fact: The sun sets each evening.
                    Fact: The earth is round.

                    These are undisputed things. Playing the devil’s advocate here …. food for thought.

      • Obama’s birth certificate is not missing. In fact, he showed both the short-form and the long form birth certificate. He showed the short-form (which is the only one that Romney has shown) way back in June 2008. And that is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year.

        I cannot answer who “vetted” them.Perhaps nobody. Once again, if you would like federal law to set up a vetting procedure, you have the right to suggest it to your legislators. Currently there is no law. If you feel that it is a flaw in the system, you have every right to suggest a change to fix it. But currently it is not the law.

        • True enough, I misspoke in my post. It’s not missing NOW. In fact, we have photocopied “copies” to prove it’s not missing. Seems to me, though, in the early days of his first campaign against McCain, it was very, very difficult to find. I do believe the photocopies did not appear until some months into the first campaign.

          • Obama published it in June 2008. That is an infinity of time before John McCain published his birth certificate. McCain never published his birth certificate (the one that is online that claims to be John McCain’s is not his). Why didn’t he publish it before June 2008? Well, he did not have to publish it ever, so perhaps it took a little while to decide that because of birther rumors it would be a good thing to do so.

              • Actually it was:

                “Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush aside questions — raised in the liberal blogosphere — about whether he is qualified under the Constitution to be president. But many legal scholars and government lawyers say it’s a serious question with no clear answer.”

                http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/ns/nbcnightlynews/t/mccains-citizenship-called-question/

                …but like you said, he got vetted right away.

                • Yeah, I was aware of that tempest in a teacup and I should have said McCain’s birth (certificate) was never seriously in question. Thanks for the link to a very interesting article though. It shows how the Supreme Court has struggled with the issue of “natural-born” citizens as well, and brings to light very interesting points. 🙂

              • Re: “It took him more than a year to come up with his birth certificate.”

                Obama did not have to show his birth certificate at all. He did so voluntarily because not showing it would lose him votes. He only showed it when it was necessary to do so, and it was not necessary to do so until the birther story became an issue that could lose him votes. McCain never published his birth certificate at all.

    • @ Kells: “Obviously, when a child is born in the US, the child is given a Social Security Number (thank you, FDR) so there are means to proving a person’s nationality.”

      Not so, automatically. From the SS website: “It is a good idea to get the number when your child is born. You can apply for a Social Security number for your baby when you apply for your baby’s birth certificate. The state agency that issues birth certificates will share your child’s information with us. We will mail the Social Security card to you.

      “Or, you can wait and apply at any Social Security office. If you wait, you must provide evidence of your child’s age, identity and U.S. citizenship status. If you are filing an application on behalf of someone else, you must show us evidence of your relationship to, or responsibility for, the person for whom you are filing. You also must show us proof of your identity. We must verify your child’s birth record, which can add up to 12 weeks to the time it takes to issue a card. To verify a birth record, Social Security will contact the office that issued it.”

      Even that is a change. I got mine in junior high school, so I could apply for my first “real job” bucking hay bales.

        • “Bucking” hay bales is not naughty. It’s hot, hard work throwing (loading) hay bales into a wagon for transport from the field to the barn, and then from the wagon into the barn. It was also one of my first jobs, along with hoeing peanuts and loading (bucking) watermelons.

          • Now you’ve got me thinking on Bucken. I miss him/her. Do you remember Bucken?

            Oh, I thank you for the information; I’d honestly never heard the term before…….except when I went to a rodeo. Those are awfully fun. (I get to wear my sh*t kickers, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.)

  5. Re Wall Street Journal. Here is what the Wall Street Journal said about Obama shortly after he showed his short form birth certificate:

    “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html?KEYWORDS=obama+born+bush+birth+certificate+hawaii+connecticut++

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