Voter Fraud? The GOP Oughtta Know!

At least 10 Florida counties have identified possibly fraudulent voter registration forms turned in by a firm working for the state’s Republican Party, election officials said today.
Palm Beach prosecutors are examining 106 voter registration forms submitted by one Strategic Allied Consulting worker, some with apparently forged signatures.
Thursday, the RNC severed its ties to the Virginia firm and filed a voter-fraud complaint.
The Los Angeles Times reports that Florida election officials have identified suspicious voter registrations turned in by the state GOP in nine other counties — Lee, Bay, Clay, Santa Rosa, Escambia, Okaloosa, Pasco, Miami-Dade and Duval.

Santa Rosa County elections officials found 100 problematic forms out of about 400 turned in by the state Republican Party. Most did not include Social Security numbers. Others had date of births that did not match the names. Some listed fake house numbers.

“It was that flagrant,” elections supervisor Ann W. Bodenstein told the paper. “In no way did they look genuine.”
Strategic Allied Consulting was also paid to work in Nevada, Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia. Republican officials in Ohio and Wisconsin had not yet paid the company money the RNC gave them for Strategic Allied’s services.

The company is run by an Arizona-based conservative, Nathan Sproul, a former head of the state GOP. The Times writes that he “has been dogged by charges in the past that his employees destroyed Democratic registrations. No charges were ever filed.”
In an interview Thursday, the Times writes, he told the paper that the Palm Beach problems were the result of one individual and that his firm had offered to help elections officials in other counties identify problems.
In an interview Thursday, the Times writes, he told the paper that the Palm Beach problems were the result of one individual and that his firm had offered to help elections officials in other counties identify problems.

Let’s see how the GOP parses this; in no way will they admit that there is any similarity between this fiasco and ACORN, despite the obvious facts of the case. An organization dogged by reports of chicanery is nevertheless hired to register party-friendly voters. Subsequently, it is learned that several employees have engaged in questionable or downright unlawful acts. Will the FEC come down hard on the firm, the Party, the individual, or all three?

30 thoughts on “Voter Fraud? The GOP Oughtta Know!

    • Kells,

      You hit this one right in the “v” ring (dead-center bull). Greg and the rest of his buddies on the Left will NEVER acknowledge that Republicans — when they realize things like this are happening — tend to police their own without having to wait for the authorities to do it. And they very seldom defend the guilty.

      The same CANNOT be said about the Democrats — they just hide the continuation of the known law-breaking. ACORN is living testament to this FACT!

  1. “Thursday, the RNC severed its ties to the Virginia firm and filed a voter-fraud complaint”

    Looks to me like it’s already been “parsed”, g.

  2. “We have zero tolerance for any threat to the integrity of elections. When we were informed of an alleged incident we immediately cut all ties to the company,” RNC Communications Director Sean Spicer said.

    “We immediately informed the Republican National Committee that we were terminating the contract with the voter-registration vendor we hired at their request because there is no place for voter-registration fraud in Florida,” state Republican Party Executive Director Mike Grissom said in a statement.

    Strategic Allied Consulting said the suspected forms came from one person and the company was cooperating with elections officials in Florida.

    “Strategic has a zero-tolerance policy for breaking the law,” said Fred Petti, a company attorney. “Accordingly, once we learned of the irregularities in Palm Beach County, we were able to trace all questionable cards to one individual and immediately terminated our working relationship with the individual in question.”
    http://news.yahoo.com/gop-fires-vendor-questionable-registrations-221750586–election.html

      • As part of the effort by some chapters to stay afloat by severing ties with the national organization, California ACORN changed its name to Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment,[8] New York ACORN renamed itself New York Communities for Change,[11] and an offshoot of the ACORN organization called Acorn Housing changed its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America[115] yet has retained the same tax and employee identification numbers that it held under its former name.[116]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Now

        Yep. 🙂

    • @Augger,

      It does seem that, when Democrats point the finger and accuse others of corruption, there are generally four fingers and several additional hands pointing back and them — doesn’t it?

      SOrt of makes me wonder what Greg was thinking when he decided to go down this path…

      • Yeah, amazing to me that he would have posted this. He had to know some asshole such as myself wouldn’t take much time, or effort to point out his own party’s dirty closets.

  3. Well, Greg, I assume you weren’t expecting to influence any of the regular zombies here, but thanks for the post. Not ONE voter ever registered by ACORN was ever shown to have voted illegally–and the same may be true of this company’s efforts–and ACORN’s bad actions seem to have been limited to a few bad apples rather than being policy, as seems to be the case here.

    The actions of one nursing home worker (who was caught, of course) hardly equate to those of this company, of course–which may have been by the GOP but which Republicans hired despite the fact that, “The firm appears to be another shell company of Nathan Sproul, a longtime, notorious Republican operative, hired year after year by GOP Presidential campaigns, despite being accused of shredding Democratic voter registration forms in a number of states over several past elections.” http://www.salon.com/2012/09/26/fla_voter_fraud_charge_has_ties_to_romney/singleton/

    It’s also true, of course, that none of the cases of fraud being discussed here would have been affected one iota by by the various voter suppression efforts that Republicans have pushed this year. And though Mitt Romney also hired Sproul as an advisor last year, even cheating likely won’t keep him from losing. 🙂

  4. “Let’s see how the GOP parses this; in no way will they admit that there is any similarity between this fiasco and ACORN, despite the obvious facts of the case.”

    Doesn’t really sound like they are parsing it – all the accounts that I have seen were unequivocal – they found out and then fired the firm.

    Here’s your “parsing” – this group was a privately funded company paid by the Republican Party of Florida. ACORN was a national organization funded by taxpayer dollars, the parsing is actually in Greg’s and Professor Progressive’s comments because while ACORN was excused by Democratic investigations, including the current Governor of California, Moonbeam Brown, there were individuals employed by ACORN who pleaded guilty or were convicted:

    <a href="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/08/18/Ex-ACORN-employee-pleads-guilty/UPI-73321250636072/#ixzz27sF9R6yN: ” target=”_blank”>From Nevada:

    LAS VEGAS, Aug. 18 (UPI) — A former ACORN official has pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against former community organizing colleagues in a Nevada voter registration fraud case.

    Christopher Edwards, 33, former Las Vegas field director for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, pleaded guilty Monday to two conspiracy counts involving paying for voter registrations, the Las Vegas Sun reported Tuesday. He said he was involved in a scheme to pay canvassers who were told they had to register at least 20 voters a day to keep their jobs and given an additional $5 for getting 21 or more.

    Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/08/18/Ex-ACORN-employee-pleads-guilty/UPI-73321250636072/#ixzz27sF9R6yN:

    From CNN:

    Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.

    “I regret it. I paid the price for it,” he said.

    Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He’s one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.

    There are more…

    As to your statement, Professor – you are correct, as far as we know – but that is hardly surprising because we have had no mechanism to validate voter eligibility that couldn’t be circumvented – how would we know even if there were? You cannot make an unequivocal statement like you did because absence of evidence is not objective proof.

    • “absence of evidence is not objective proof”

      Indeed. And neither does it justify massive new restrictions, especially just before an election. If you can’t admit that GOP efforts are an effort to restrict voting by qualified Democratic constituencies, you’re simply incapable of being honest.

      • If there is a situation where there has never been the indication of the potential for vote fraud, a statement that “there is no fraud” has some logical basis – but since we know that there are fraudulent registrations and we have had no steps in the process to catch illegitimate voters via identification, it is not valid to make that statement and the converse could be supported – that there is likely fraud. As a point of fact, we have a recent example in Maryland where the Democratic candidate for the House of Representatives had to drop out because she was registered and voted in two different states:

        Wendy Rosen, the Democratic challenger to Republican Rep. Andy Harris in the 1st Congressional District, withdrew from the race Monday amid allegations that she voted in elections in both Maryland and Florida in 2006 and 2008.

        State Democratic Chairwoman Yvette Lewis said an examination of voting records in Maryland and Florida showed that Rosen participated in the 2006 general election and the 2008 primaries in both states.

        So it does happen and if a candidate can do it, it is likely that a person with less visibility would have a greater chance of success in getting away with it.

        Until it takes as much ID to vote as it does to drive, buy beer or sign a kid up for Little League or Pop Warner football, I fail to see how requiring a picture ID restricts anything. Every current state law that requires picture ID also allows a method for voting in the event that the individual doesn’t have one. There is no move to do anything “just before elections” – we have early voting in most states and we have elections every two years – so it isn’t like they are surprises.

        But keep grasping for straws in your fairy tale world.

        There is evidence of fraud but when it is noted, your side says – “well,it is only a little, not enough to matter”, yet the electoral votes for Florida were awarded in 2000 by a margin of 532 votes, 0.0092%.

        • “the electoral votes for Florida were awarded in 2000 by a margin of 532 votes, 0.0092%”

          Yep, and voter suppression, including people being wrongly removed from voter rolls, probably changed that election. Thanks for the reminder.

          To repeat, “If you can’t admit that GOP efforts are an effort to restrict voting by qualified Democratic constituencies, you’re simply incapable of being honest.” Your answer demonstrates that my concern was justified.

          • No, Professor. I am not the one who lacks honesty. You seem to be quite fond of spouting off unproven statements and then stating that if I don’t agree with them, I am dishonest. I can’t admit to something that I have no evidence is true.

            If I may be so bold, doesn’t your statement about the poor job done in the clean-up of the voter rolls actually support that we need a better way to register, maintain the rolls and identify voters? Seems to me that voter ID would prevent both fraud and registration problems.

            Wooohoooo! A bi-partisan solution!

            Sorry – there I go being logical again. I forgot that you sometimes have trouble comprehending logic as evidenced by the lack of factual basis of your points and your lack of recognition of the irony present in some of your statements.

            As is constantly pointed out, whites make up the largest segment of the economically disadvantaged in America – no surprise, they are the largest segment of the general population – so your argument that only economically disadvantaged minorities are subject to these requirements in some effort to depress the vote by a given race cannot be supported by the numbers – unless you are saying that Republicans hate white people. If the “economic hardship” angle is invoked, whites are far more affected than blacks or Hispanics, ergo my difficulty in seeing how this is racially motivated.

            What I do know is what I stated – somehow, some way, people across the spectrum are able to get ID when it is required for things that they want or want to do. They can even present enough ID to get a free Obamaphone in Ohio. I also know that every effort is being made in the areas where ID is now required to support 1) the attainment of those documents, 2) the funding of the cost of those documents and 3) accommodations for people to vote in absence of them with appropriate validation of identity.

            It seems a simple manner when, as I said, the minimum time required to acquire an ID is the two years between elections. As far as cost – the number that I have heard is about 20 bucks. Over 104 weeks (two years) that amounts to 20 cents a week. I’ve seen enough people buying groceries with EBT cards and then paying cash for a carton of cigarettes or a 6 pack to believe that this is an economic hardship and I simply don’t find it credible that someone cannot find a way to get to a government office some way, some how, when given 2 years to do it.

            If we are going to have that discussion then you need to be prepared to have the discussion that your ideology’s stand on open borders, amnesty and illegal immigration is not a human rights effort but simply an attempt to gain Democrat voters.

            • “No, Professor. I am not the one who lacks honesty. You seem to be quite fond of spouting off unproven statements and then stating that if I don’t agree with them, I am dishonest. I can’t admit to something that I have no evidence is true.”

              Utah, you are discoursing with a man who has already admitted to lying, and that he rationalized as it as “ok” since it was a voting pollster.

              Just a friendly reminder. 🙂

            • If this weren’t a partisan game, Utah, Texas wouldn’t have tried to push through a voter registration law that says a gun registration is acceptable voter ID, but a student ID card (with a photo) isn’t, and a judge wouldn’t have blocked it. In some states it is almost impossible to register except during the hours when most people work–and the working poor have the hardest time getting time off work. In many Eastern cities, thousands of people don’t drive and so have no need for a drivers’ license.

              And of course you’ve ignored the line, “including people being wrongly removed from voter rolls”–apparently all, by some weird coincidence by Florida Republicans. And I find it interesting–though frankly not surprising–that when I mention “new restrictions” you focus only on voter ID laws, not the ones that would require a birth certificate or passport, the ones that limit the dates or times available for registration, and the shortening of voting hours (another Florida trick).

              Spin that however you choose, Utah, but again, if you, Dusty and Augger can’t admit that GOP efforts are at least in part an effort to restrict voting by qualified Democratic constituencies, you’re simply incapable of being honest–as is sadly obvious to any reader who isn’t a partisan hack. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/13/the_quiet_campaign_voter_suppression_113830.html

              • ” if you, Dusty and Augger can’t admit that GOP efforts are at least in part an effort to restrict voting by qualified Democratic constituencies, you’re simply incapable of being honest–”

                Only speaking for myself…………….GOP efforts are truly an attempt to remove ALL DEAD DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS and ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION from the voter files. They also are an attempt to allow John Joseph Smith to only vote once and restrict him from voting as:
                Johnny Joseph Smith
                J. Joseph Smith
                John J. Smith
                Johnny J. Smith
                John Joey Smith
                John Jojo Smith
                J. J. Smith
                J. Joe Smith
                J. Joey Smith
                J. Smith
                John Smith
                Johnnie Joseph Smith
                Johnnie J. Smith
                Johnnie Joe Smith
                John Joey Smith
                need I go on?

                • “need I go on?”

                  No, Dusty, you didn’t even need to start, since you didn’t answer my point. I wasn’t asking about “only you,” nor did you address all the aspects of voter supression that I mentioned. Besides, unless that person is voting as different people–and to my knowledge there is NO evidence of that EVER happening–even your point is irrelevant to voter fraud.

                • “and to my knowledge there is NO evidence of that EVER happening”

                  And there is the typical canned liberal response. If you, Holder and and the rest of the liberal sycophants (including absentee-ballot broker Cabrera—arrested for voter fraud) can’t admit that Democratic Party efforts are at least in part an effort to game the lawful voting system by unqualified illegal alien, and multiple state registered Democratic constituencies, you’re simply incapable of being honest–as is sadly obvious to any reader who isn’t a partisan hack.

                • “Democratic Party efforts are at least in part an effort to game the lawful voting system by unqualified illegal alien, and multiple state registered Democratic constituencies”

                  Please, Augger, enlighten us all on the laws proposed by Democrats to help with this supposed effort “to game the lawful voting system.” The GOP-proposed laws on the other side are well-documented, of course. And I notice that you, like Utah and Dusty, refuse to directly answer the question I brought up.

                  No surprise from any of you, of course, since addressing the issue directly would force to to either say someting negative about some Republicans or to demonstrate that you’re clueless or dishonest.

      • “If you can’t admit that GOP efforts are an effort to restrict voting by qualified Democratic constituencies, you’re simply incapable of being honest.”

        Please try to get some of your usually unused grey matter to explain how requiring someone to prove that they are registered to vote before allowing them to do so is in any way restricts voting by qualified Democrats.

  5. This was not the work of one man, gentlemen, unless he was paid per diem to travel to 10 different counties! And, as I have repeatedly pointed out and B refuses to acknowledge, ACORN turned their own employee in tot he authorities, the republican firm had to be informed of their ineptitude.

    This case, on top of several other stories, convinces me that we need to have a better means of ID-ing voters, even if it is an inconvenience to some. The Iraqi turnout for elections in 2010 was 62%, in spite of the threat (fulfilled, btw) that there would be violence at the polls. If they can risk their lives to vote, surely an American can lose a day’s wages, if need be, in order to fulfill a stricter identification process.

    • G…………… I agree, the R’s screw the system as bad as the D’s do. But I don’t agree that ACORN (at least it’s leaders) is not a worthless bunch of criminals. And I definitely agree with your voter ID statement.

      • Dusty, I am glad we agree on the important stuff 🙂

        Voting is the bedrock of our system of governance, and we cannot allow it to be tainted with doubt as to its legitimacy.

        • I just don’t understand the mentality that insists that requiring everyone to show an ID in order to vote is somehow racially biased against black and hispanic people. I see plenty of both out driving so I assume they have driver’s licenses.

          • Poorer people can less afford to take time off work for such things a voter registration is the thinking, at least in part.
            But I have always voted, even when I was taking charity from churchmice, and I always managed to get myself and my car registered each year.

  6. It may be that when a poor or struggling individual finds registering to vote such an insurmountable obstacle, that person is demonstrating why he is poor or underemployed in the 1st place.

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