Persecution

When I say that the majority of Muslims in the Middle East are flippin fruit loops, I’m not lying. Thing is, I do not think it is fair to lump all Muslims under one umbrella. I suppose it would be akin to me saying B. is in the same category as the Westboro Baptists (he is Baptist, after all.) He may deny it until he’s blue in the face, but the reality is; that’s the sect of Christianity that he subscribes to. Uh-huh.

Do I think the American Muslims need to be more vocal on atrocities committed by their sect in the Middle East? Not yes, but hell yes! Does this mean we are to persecute Muslims here and Christians there? It is neither the spirit of Christianity nor the spirit of Islam.

If an enemy attacks (like 9/11), you bomb the hello out of their country and call it a day. Lesson learned. This sounds incredibly cruel, but it saves time, money and American lives. Can we all say Hiroshima? Unfortunately, the body count with this war in Afghanistan still keeps growing….

For me, I just don’t think it’s fair that a religion is blamed when it really boils down to a bunch of nut jobs running the show.

So for all you thumb-downers; thumb down all you please. The truth is I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (I’m Lutheran for cryin out loud!) That said, in my heart I believe that evil people will twist their religion to gain what they want on this earth, just as greedy people will twist numbers to gain what they want on this earth.

 

50 thoughts on “Persecution

  1. *sigh*

    Telling me I am a Baptist after I have repeatedly told you I am NOT a Baptist but a Christian is akin to me telling you that you are a Muslim — no matter how many times you deny it. The proof is as clear as what you offer to support your claims. You defend Muslims, therefore you are a Muslim. Now, if you do not see the problem with my argument here, that will explain a great deal to the reader about why you have so much trouble accepting that I am not a Baptist. It just can’t answer why it seems to matter so much to you.

    Next, we have this:

    Definition of PERSECUTE

    1: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief
    2: to annoy with persistent or urgent approaches (as attacks, pleas, or importunities) : pester

    According to the definition (i.e. what the word “persecute” actually means), I am NOT “persecuting” Muslims; I am educating non-Muslims as to the religion of Islam. At the same time, I could be said to be “persecuting” those who refuse to listen listen to what I am trying to explain about what I have learned. ONLY, since you do not HAVE to read my posts/comments, then I am not “pestering” you (you have control over what you read and can ignore me), therefore I am not “persecuting” you.

    Therefore, I am not persecuting anyone because I have not met the criteria of the definition and to claim otherwise because it is “your opinion” is NOT an opinion, it is a denial of the definition. That’s a psychological disorder I cannot help with, please see Augger if this applies to you. 🙂

    Now, let’s make this perfectly clear — for what I hope will be the last time. Islam is NOT a religion of peace — period — end of issue. What’s more, this is not my opinion of interpretation — IT IS THE WORD OF ALLAH AS HANDED DOWN BY GABRIEL TO MUHAMMAD! Now, if you have a problem with that, then do not attack me (THAT is persecution in BOTH definitions of the word), take it up with Muhammad and Allah.

    Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

    This means those “evil people” haven’t “twisted” anything. This is what Muhammad said, so they are following what their religion teaches/commands. The only “twisting” going on here is you trying to make Islam into something it is not, and to paint people Muhammad would recognize as faithful and pious Muslims as “evil people.”

    One last thing: if you believe in the Trinity, then why are you working so diligently to defend an anti-Christ religion? Islam specifically denies that Christ is God and the reality of the Trinity. Do you remember what Christ said you will receive for doing something like that? I sure hope so, because you are playing around on the edges of the one unforgivable sin, Kells. READ YOUR SCRIPTURE!!!

    • Joe, I do believe that in the recent past, I placed either an entire post dedicated to … or as a response to … showing a video of Muslims crucifying Christians on a cross. All in the name of religion.

      Something not seen in reverse. Maybe Kells should think about this.

      • Augger,

        I remember. I’ve tried to figure this out, but I simply cannot understand what it is that gets in the way of people accepting that Islam is not a religion that teaches peace for anyone BUT other Muslims, and then, only for those Muslims that actually do what the Qur’an commands the way it commands.

        For some reason, they insist that the truth is an attack, but it is simply the truth. Islam, as Muhammad defined it, is a religion of war — period.

        I also do not understand why people can’t understand that this is not an attack on ALL Muslims. I’ve said it very clearly: I understand there are good people in Islam trying to live a peaceful life. The problem is, they are NOT following the teachings of Muhammad and this makes them — at best — hypocrites, if not apostates.

        If you can figure out why this mental block affects people like Greg and Kells, please explain it. I would REALLY like to be enlightened.

        • It’s the same phenomenon displayed by groups such as American Atheists, and Freedom From Religion. Everyone really understands the benevolent nature of Islam (burning children’s faces with acid, crucifixions, decapitation, bomb attacks … we could go on, and on), but the real issue here is … fear. No one wants to address a “Islam Problem”, and that would be because they would get their head sawed off. It’s easy to be the bully when the victim is unwilling to protect himself.

          To Kells and likely Greg specifically … they have likely come across folks like Katoot, Abdelghany, Ahmad, and Adhal in PC. And those are certainly benevolent folks, but it’s easy for them to forget why each of those names mentioned are here in the first place … escaping the very Islamic tyranny of their homelands. They simply see this true minority and assume they represent a majority.

          If they were truly a majority, they would not have needed to flee where they came from in the first place.

    • Let’s take this step by step, shall we?

      You’re not a Baptist? Okay. Come to my church this Sunday. (I’ve been to yours.)
      Your definition of the word sums up your post in just one look. Ring-a-ding-ding!
      The only thing I would see Augger for is a massage, but I’ve got Ross for that.
      Islam is a religion of peace for those who believe it to be so.(The crux of my argument.)
      Christians stand up to bullies, too. (Christ did so himself.)
      No. These “evil people” are interpreting the religion falsely.Every Muslim I know is, hands down, as pleasant as you please.
      Your last question is puzzling. Do you not think that I don’t want Muslims to convert? I do for I believe there is only one true God. I could say the same of my sweet babies, Texas and G., but I do not. Is an apple not sweeter when not bruised?

      • Islam is a religion of peace for those who believe it to be so.(The crux of my argument.)

        Then it is NOT Islam as Muhammad defined it, which makes those people hypocrites or apostates, neither of which is conducive to longevity in an Islamic State.

        The book, Kells, the rule book (i.e. Qur’an) COMMANDS the violent spread of Islam and forced subjugation of all Jews/Christians who refuse to convert — or their deaths.

        Christians stand up to bullies, too. (Christ did so himself.)

        Telling the truth does not make a person a bully. If I read your comments out loud, does that make me a bully? If I read and explain what they mean using the English dictionary and rules of grammar, does THAT make me a bully? If not, then I am not “bullying” Islam, but if it does…well, you need to revisit the dictionary and rules of English grammar.

        No. These “evil people” are interpreting the religion falsely.

        NO THEY ARE NOT!

        Qur’an 12:1 “These are verses of the immaculate Book, a clear discourse.”

        That means — according to Muhammad — that the verses in the Qur’an are perfect, clear and mean what they say. So again:

        Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

        And the fact that you say you do not understand my last question should trouble you. It was in the form of a question, but it was an admonishment based on the Words of Christ. As I said, READ YOUR SCRIPTURE!

        • ” If I read and explain what they mean using the English dictionary and rules of grammar, does THAT make me a bully?”

          No Joe, to Kells (and this administration), that my friend makes you a racist. LOL!

          • Oh, yes, I forgot. People who believe in Islam are a race, just like the ones who still believe the earth is flat (see header of this blog 😉 )

      • “You’re not a Baptist? Okay. Come to my church this Sunday. (I’ve been to yours.)”

        — I am a Baptist, and I would come to your church any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. But it really isn’t about me, now is it? No, this is about Islam. Take any of the names I gave you above, and try to get them in to your church one day. If they go, send us all a picture, and I will shut up. 🙂

        “The only thing I would see Augger for is a massage, but I’ve got Ross for that.”

        — I appreciate that more so than you know. I was cringing at the thought that one day you might as me for an appointment.

        “Islam is a religion of peace for those who believe it to be so.(The crux of my argument.)”

        — And that apparently is a small, very small minority.

        “Every Muslim I know is, hands down, as pleasant as you please.”

        — How many do you know, 5?, 10?, 20?, maybe 50? Some majority you have there girlfriend. 🙂

        • We must keep our appointments secret….so quit broadcastin them!

          Augger, there have been Muslims who have visited. (and cooked….) Lutherans love to eat 😉
          Honestly, I would attend their service over there if I weren’t doing a show…..and I knew when the hello their service was.

          • Florida Ave — behind Peaden/Baldwin Road if I remember right.

            And … thought you knew these Muslims that well. 😦

              • Kells,

                I have no misconceptions of them because I don’t know them and don’t really care to. HOWEVER, I do know what they should be like IF they are actually trying to practice the religion of Muhammad.

                • You don’t follow the religion, yet you want to be the arbiter of all things Muslim, you sound like a control freak.
                  It is quite obvious to me that you are missing something, B, in regard to the religion of Islam, since the majority of its adherents don’t practice it in the way that you see fit. If they did, after all, there would be no Jews living in Iran, Iraq, Morocco, and other Islamic countries. True, they are not treated as well as muslim citizens, but they are alive, not dead.

                  • You really are a willfully ignorant and intentionally dishonest person, aren’t you? How do you live with your own reflection?

                    I DO know what the Qur’an teaches. I read it. The Qur’an and Hadith are Islam — NOT the imams. You are making the outrageous claim that the Pope is Catholicism. He is NOT, but he has often been the source of perversion within the Church. In this case, making a “peaceful and inclusive” religion out of the Qur’an is equivalent to making a violent and hateful religion out of the Gospel of Christ. Again, I am not controling anyone, I am reading and accepting what MUHAMMAD said. By telling me to ignore Muhammad and listen to YOU because you listened to a website, YOU are trying to control MUHAMMAD. I think he has a command for dealing with people like you. I hope you never get to tell me what it looks like to look up at your your headless body from between your feet, Greg.

                    As for Jews and Christians in Islamic States: again, you are deliberately ignoring me when I tell you that they CAN be allowed in these States AS DHIMMI — and ONLY if they pay the jizyat.

                    MAN, I wish you would just get off your lazy rear end and read the Qur’an and Hadith.

                    • B, do they hate the Jews, or not? Do they want to kill; them, or take their rent money? I don;t expect you to know how to reconcile these opposing ideas, the Quran is a complicated book, as are the others that you mention, so is the Bible, the Upanishads, and the Lord of the Rings.

                      I do expect you to claim I said things that I never said, because you have a history of that sort of thing.

              • *sigh*

                Yes, actually, if they are inwardly conducting stealth Jihad, it could be. You and I will never know because Muhammad says “only Allah knows the truth.”

                HOWEVER, and I have told you this many times, the probability is that they either do not know what the Qur’an actually teaches or, if they do, they are not very pious in following their faith. Many Christians are guilty of the same thing.

                Then there is also the possibility that you are being less than honest about your claim…. 😦

                • Then there is also the possibility that you are being less than honest about your claim….

                  There is also always the possibility that you are too full of anger and resentment to ever hold down a decent job 🙂

      • Careful there. You put me in the same category as G. I’m not an atheist (or agnostic or Muslim.)

        So here you go Kells;

        Thumbs DOWN.

        🙂

        • Yes, but according to B. you shall burn in hell along with G. and all the other infidels. I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that. Oooh! I guess I’m picking and choosing from my religion.

          I should like to know if any of you silly boys have read the lost books of the Bible…I suppose you could say they were abrogated……

          • Actually, NO! You should try asking questions before making assumptions.

            To be honest with you, I am not quite sure what Christ had to say about the Jews who did not accept Him. From what the Bible actually says, it would appear that one can still TRY to find salvation through the law. That was not “abrogated,” we were merely offered a new covenant. At least, this appears to be what Christ was saying when He said He did not come to change the law. So, if this is correct, Texas is not necessarily damned…though the lack of a temple does cause some serious problems for him (sorry, tex 😉 )

            I have asked several Christian Pastors about this, and they are as puzzled as I am, but they ALL said it is a good question.

            See what happens when you ASS – U – M??? 🙂

            • Oh,I never make assumptions; you make an ass out of you and umtion. Oy vey, Maria! My sweet angel,Texas, is Jewish like Jesus. I won’t judge him just as I won’t judge Muslims.

              The lost books of the Bible are interesting, B…….

              Gah! I just watched the debate. Biden was all Mr. Smiley the whole time, and then he started spouting off a bunch of BS. and cutting Ryan off — It kills me how that moderator kept cuttin off Ryan, as well. I truly wish Ryan would’ve been as aggresive as Romney. I think these silly boys must leave the kiddy playground.

              • Lost books of the Bible? That’s because they were never “lost,” they were REJECTED!

                Kells, I worry you are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise when you meet Jesus. However, I think it is finally starting to dawn on me as to why you defend Muslims who do not follow the teaching of their faith.

                  • Actually, yes, I do. Furthermore, I suspect I know it better than you. I learned about it in my study on Christian Apologetics. A study I made that was and is much more in depth than the time I put into understanding Islam. Which, incidentally, is one of the reasons I believe Islam is an anti-Christ — if not THE anti-Christ — religion.

  2. “Thing is, I do not think it is fair to lump all Muslims under one umbrella …For me, I just don’t think it’s fair that a religion is blamed when it really boils down to a bunch of nut jobs running the show.”

    Of course not Kells, and “duh”. But we are talking about a religion, and not a “person”. But since we are going to revisit this topic for the umpteenth time, I would first remind of you of the little (and truncated) list Islamic terrorist groups that I collected from our very own state department …

    https://therionorteline.com/2012/09/27/you-wont-get-this-from-pravda-west/

    They represent groups that circumnavigate the globe. Their census, you might ask? No one really knows for sure. The real question is, what is their impact? Well, judging by the small videos we see of the various protests through our lifetimes, it is apparent that they amass untold numbers to their causes. So are we really talking about a minority similar to what we saw from Jim Jones, or the WACO cult?

    Doubtful. Those were in fact small time operations that got themselves marginalized by their own people. Something not seen very much in Islam, now is it?

    You simply place too much faith in radicals you’ve never met.

    • I recall your list. Now Mr. Kells is lecturing me. Went down somethin like this:

      Mr. Kells: Kelly, their prophet says to kill the infidel. Jesus says to turn the other cheek. B. is right.
      Kells:I don’t agree with their religion, but I don’t think they’re all evil. And B. is not right!
      Mr. Kells: They follow their Word.
      Kells: Say what you will, F.! I believe it comes down to the individual!
      Mr. Kells: Will you help me count these box tops?
      Kells: Um, okay. We’ve got 141.

      Yes, that was our session at the OKells Corral….

      • Kells, you STILL do not understand. Instead, you insist on changing the argument to suit what you WANT to be true. try dealing with reality instead. Your world will work better because you won’t be surprised or disappointed nearly as often.

        Mr. K (F) is correct. You should listen to him.

        • I feel that a benevolent spirit is better than a spiteful one. I cannot believe I’m getting lectured by the two of you. You know what I think you both need? Tolerance spankings. I will gladly lash them out. Truthfully, I think you both need them. I’m losing my temper between the two of you!

      • “Kells:I don’t agree with their religion, but I don’t think they’re all evil. And B. is not right!”

        Let’s break this down a bit as it is at the crux of the issue here.

        1. “I don’t agree with their religion” — obviously not, or you would have converted a long time ago, and would no longer be that infidel that they all (even the “good” ones) see you as.

        2. “I don’t think they’re all evil” — Of course not, and I would remind you of what I wrote above:

        To Kells and likely Greg specifically … they have likely come across folks like Katoot, Abdelghany, Ahmad, and Adhal in PC. And those are certainly benevolent folks, but it’s easy for them to forget why each of those names mentioned are here in the first place … escaping the very Islamic tyranny of their homelands. They simply see this true minority and assume they represent a majority.

        3. “And B. is not right!” — nor shall he ever be, because to you, that would be to admit a defeat.

              • Yes, i have made up my mind. HOWEVER, unlike you, I did so NOT after being with Christians and Muslims, but after I actually read the Bible/Qur’an and studied their histories. In most circles where the truth matters, this is called an “informed opinion.” In many cases, it would also be considered “forming an opinion based on objective facts/reality.”

                I wish I could convince you to try this approach sometime…instead of the “how do I feel about that” approach you seem to use so often. 😦

        • Well, obviously I will never deal with agony of da feet!

          I’m very fond of Kahn and Mahmood as far as doctors go. They are generous and beautiful spirits. It is ironic that they are both from Pakistan….and I think that is what I am trying to point out, Augger: Don’t judge a book by its cover.

          And don’t judge the look by its lover….for you… 😆 ( I know how how fond you and B. are of emoticons.)

          • “To Kells and likely Greg specifically … they have likely come across folks like Katoot, Abdelghany, Ahmad, and Adhal in PC. And those are certainly benevolent folks, but it’s easy for them to forget why each of those names mentioned are here in the first place … escaping the very Islamic tyranny of their homelands. They simply see this true minority and assume they represent a majority.”

            Kells, exactly WHICH part of this statement do you NOT understand?

        • I tell you what is going to be awesome: Paul Ryan. I now must leave you silly boys as I have to pay attention to a WI boy kick some scary-as hell-if-he-were-to-become-president’s ass.

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