Tonight my son and daughter-in-law came over. He asked if I had received his e-mail. (I hadn’t as I seem to be a bit forgetful in that department…..Hey! I did get Joe’s e-mail today! Thanks for the nudie pics! 🙂 )
In all seriousness, this was the e-mail:
A letter written by John Locke in 1689. This reminded me of your friend who claims to be a constitutionalist but clearly despises Muslims. Locke says,”Let any one have ever so true a claim to all these things, yet if he be destitute of charity, meekness, and goodwill in general towards all mankind, even to those that are not Christians, he is certainly yet short of being a true Christian himself.” Those words from a true lover of liberty. The letter is long.
http://classicliberal.tripod.com/locke/toleration1.html
Yes, it is long (puts B. to shame.) I guess my son’s been peeking into my other life here. Hmmm…
After speaking on Muslims and our mutual agreement that the middle-eastern Muslims are fundamentalists who are back-asswards in their thinking, the conversation took a different spin…. That would be everyone’s favourite choir boy: Bradley Manning. (Remember; that Wikileaks fella?)
Basically our argument boiled down to me saying that he is consigned to the military and should have obeyed the rules, and my son saying that the rule of law applies equally to him under the Constitution. In other words, he feels that because it is our money, we should know of what the hello is going on over there and be rid of the CIA-style secrecy about what happens. My argument is that national security must have its privacy.
Your thoughts?
The Rio Norte Line 
Wasn’t THIS Joe sending you email like that.
Also, your friend is wrong about me — most likely because you are wrong about me, and that is because you plain, flat refuse to listen to me.
This reminded me of your friend who claims to be a constitutionalist but clearly despises Muslims.
I don’t believe anyone here “despises Muslims” and even if there is, I’m not sure what that has with being “a constitutionalist”. Even I have stated that I believe that fundamentalist Islam is incompatible with our constitutional form of government.
I would also suggest that your son read and understand Locke in a deeper manner than just a few excerpts from this letter because in this letter he also states:
Does Locke hate Muslims, too? Not necessarily, Locke is saying that religion should not be used as an excuse to break the laws of a legitimate society – this is where the opposition to Islam lies for me.
Your son is right and wrong. Manning took this oath when he joined:
That puts him under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, that while is under the Constitution, affirms that he understands that he must obey the authorities of the officers appointed over him and the UCMJ. He voluntarily put himself under the jurisdiction of a subset of the Constitution.
I disagree that we have a right to know everything – there are matters of national security that must be kept secret, I think we need to do more clandestine work rather than less.
One of my favorite authors is Vince Flynn – his lead character is a operative named Mitch Rapp – we would be much better off if we had a couple of Mitch Rapps that we could turn loose on the world. I just finished his last book, The Last Man, I highly recommend it if you like spy novels…
Bradley Manning is a wormy little weasel with a narcissistic disorder. Mommie didn’t hug him enough.
But outing a CIA agent is okay, if your guy does it. Cheney should be in the cell next to Manning, and you should agree, if you had any sense of honor, and aren’t just a republican party hack.
Interesting Greg … the Obama administration also “outs” CIA agents … as well as British MI6 intelligence agents. Sadly, they were too f*cking stupid to realize it was a sting operation. 🙂
No surprise you would ignore the “OTHER” side of the coin. Liberal hack.
No surprise, either, that you offer no link to this story, of which this is the 1st I have ever heard.
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.
Actually, I’m not.
Not really surprising that you don’t know about it but it is easy to find: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/11/underwear-bomb-plot-mi6-cia-leaks?newsfeed=true
Obama outs Seal Team 6:
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/052412-612678-obama-gives-kathyrn-bigelow-seals-name-.htm?p=full
But I’m sure you will say that he didn’t do it or it doesn’t matter.
gracias…yes somebodies are need of a smackdown
Apparently, the facts about the incident that is the subject of the movie Argo were kept secret for many years afterwards. False credit was even given to the Canadians as part of the cover-up.
I wonder of our egos haven’t become more needy of gratification in two generations, from the endless news cycle and the celebration of the least accomplishments, so that some people’s need for recognition, a desire to take credit and get on the media bandwagon, leverage that case into some serious cash, has overidden their sense of duty.
“No surprise, either, that you offer no link to this story, of which this is the 1st I have ever heard.”
No surprise, either, that you could not find a single link out of the prolific numbers of links, and yes, I sure it’s the first you have ever heard of it. Maybe, just maybe you should mix up your news a bit differently, and get away from MSDNC and the other Obama-bot news sources.
Thanks for helping out the disadvantaged in this case Utah, and please accept my apologizes for assuming Greg could take care of himself on this one. I will reimburse you for any Wet Ones you used in taking care of him.
too bad you can’t hold your own in an argument, friend
“too bad you can’t hold your own in an argument, friend”
Don’t ever presuppose that we are friends.
Augger, i am not a news junkie, I lead an interesting life outside of these forums http://www.xanga.com/melfamy
Weak excuse for just simply being a dolt. I lead an interesting life outside of these forums too. Allow me to share a little ER story with you:
I just really can’t make this shit up. lol
That is funny.
I have to deal with deckhands who are parochial at best. Recently, we had a new guy on the boat. I could tell from his accent that he was from the West Bank; across the river from New Orleans, but I asked him where he was from anyway.
“I’m from Marrero, but we moved.”.
“Really?” I said. “Where did you move?”
“Westwego’, he replied.
“Isn’t that next to Marrero?”” I asked
“Yeah”, he said, no trace of irony in his voice.
Our pilot, Jerry, asked him if it was hard saying goodbye to all his old friends, and if he ever wrote home.
I love Mitch Rapp. I also have a huge crush on Jack Reacher.
I, too believe some things need to be kept secret. Our discussion became very heated. He actually called me an Obamabot! 😯
You…an Obamabot? Not in a million years…
Read Gorky Park and Polar Star, then you will have a new love, Arkady Renko, chief investigator for the Moscow police. Gorky Park was made into an excellent movie, with William Hurt as Arkady, Brian Dennehy as a New York cop in Moscow looking for his missing brother, and Lee Marvin as an American furrier with connections in high places. I cannot recommend this series highly enough.
I side with your son. Remember the pentagon Papers? They were secret, but they were about bombing the boo-yah out of North Vietnamese. It wasn’t a secret to the people of north Vietnam that they were being bombed. The secret was being kept from US.
Same here, Most of the wikileaks files that aren’t just embarrassingly honest and revealing are about operations that are quasi-legal at best. And I don’t know for sure, but i don’t think any of the files were top secret; mostly inter embassy and departmental e-mails.
I suppose our biggest disagreement came down to what should be deemed as classified. He’s a staunch Ron Paul fan, and I agreed with some of his arguments. He threw this Artical One Section Eight at me about these wars being unconstitutional, and I agree to a point. This morning I read through that, and it seems a bit ambiguous. At the same time, I thought congress was required to vote on the funding of wars. I told him regardless of that, we are there and we cannot broadcast what the hello we’re going to do; I think that puts our military as well as our country at risk.
So because I am for keeping secrets I am an Obamabot. Don’t I know about NDAA? Yes, and that’s a horse of a different colour.