So Tell Me Again How The Welfare State Doesn’t Discourage Work…

…because the evidence from a 70 year old welfare state says that it does.

From the The Sun:

A SKIVING couple told last night how they claim £17,680 a year in benefits — and don’t even bother looking for work because it would leave them worse off.

Danny Creamer, 21, and Gina Allan, 18, spend each day watching their 47in flatscreen TV and smoking 40 cigarettes between them in their comfy two-bedroom flat.

It is all funded by the taxpayer, yet the couple say they deserve sympathy because they are “trapped”.

They even claim they are entitled to their generous handouts because their hard-working parents have been paying tax for years.

The couple, who have a four-month-old daughter Tullulah-Rose, say they can’t go out to work as they could not survive on less than their £1,473-a-month benefits.

The pair left school with no qualifications, and say there is no point looking for jobs because they will never be able to earn as much as they get in handouts.

Gina admits: “We could easily get a job but why would we want to work — we would be worse off.”

Danny’s father, 46, even offered him a job with his bowling alley servicing company — but could not pay him enough.

Danny’s mum, 45, works as a carer, while Gina’s mum, 46, is a teacher and her dad, 53, is a manager with a security company.

Yet their parents’ work ethic has not rubbed off on Danny and Gina. Instead, they claim they are entitled to benefits because of their parents’ tax contributions — and even complain they should be given MORE.

Britain also has a problem with “benefit tourism“:

Hordes of Romanians and Bulgarians are already preparing to head for Britain in search of work, according to a Mail on Sunday investigation.

Employment restrictions will be relaxed on December 31, and the UK will throw open its Jobcentres and benefit offices to what pressure group Migration Watch predicts could be as many as 70,000 people a year for the next five years.

The Government refuses to reveal its own estimates and the authorities in Romania and Bulgaria are sceptical of Migration Watch figures, but have not compiled their own.

As soon as they find a job, they will also become eligible for a raft of income-related benefits far more generous than anything on offer in their home countries.

Access to welfare payments in Britain is easier than in either Germany or France, which will be relaxing work restrictions at the same time.

You get what you expect.

If you don’t expect much out of people, that is exactly what you will get.


16 thoughts on “So Tell Me Again How The Welfare State Doesn’t Discourage Work…

  1. How depressing! Can you imagine being that young and having given up on the world? No goals, no big dreams, no inspiration and no motivation to do anything but sit on the couch for the rest of their lives. I feel sorry for their child, it’s going to be a very grim life for her, stuck with those 2 slugs for parents.

    • Kind of reminds me of that British comedy show, “Keeping Up Appearances” with sister Hyacinth and her husband Richard, a successful accountant, sister Violet and her cross dressing rich successful husband Bruce, and then you have the other two sisters, Daisy and her worthless husband Onslo and single sister Rose, sucking off the public teat. This show was broadcast from 1990 to 1995.

      Britain has had this problem for decades.

  2. Utah

    I’m wondering what your thoughts are on your return to America? Do you sense any changes? If so, what are they?

    Are you enjoying Texas?

    • @trapped:

      The US cityscapes are far more “garish” than I remembered. When you live in a city as subdued as Edinburgh for two years and there isn’t a McDonald’s or a Taco Bell on every corner, you forget how “in your face” all the signage is for the multitude of fast-food places…but on the other hand, it represents the exponential number of choices we have here. The grocery stores in America are amazing with their 700 brands and types of toothpaste and 200 blends of coffee. My wife and I walked into a H-E-B store (a common Houston grocery franchise) and just heaved a sigh of relief!

      I’ve given a ;lot of thought to why there is such a difference in products between the UK and the US and now that I think about it, it seems that the markets are reflective of the different societies. The freer the society, the more demanding it is for the satisfaction of new and improved products because they are all vying for the individual taste. In the lesser free societies, there is less choice because people have been conditioned to expect less and are satisfied with the fewer choices…I don’t know, that would seem to be an interesting sociological study – the correlation of grocery store variety to individual freedom…

      I love Scotland – I have said that I never felt “not at home” there but for all of our faults, everything is better in America.

      What initially strikes me about Texas is the feeling of independence in the air – the feeling of “let’s just get this thing done” is incredible.

      • “In the lesser free societies, there is less choice because people have been conditioned to expect less and are satisfied with the fewer choices…”

        Sort of like Obamacare. Just saying.

  3. “How depressing!”

    Only for those of us footing the bills. Those folks receiving those benefits are entirely happy.

    “Can you imagine being that young and having given up on the world?”

    Remember the emo kids? 🙂

    “No goals, no big dreams, no inspiration and no motivation to do anything but sit on the couch for the rest of their lives.”

    Well, they do have MMORPG games such as World of Warcraft for instance. They can be motivated to improve their characters (i.e., virtual identity), then take a nap, watch some boob-tube, eat a Hot Pocket, and return to the game at their whim. lol

    “I feel sorry for their child, it’s going to be a very grim life for her, stuck with those 2 slugs for parents.”

    I feel sorry for their child as well. However, not knowing any difference, I am sure she will be happy. By the time she gets old enough to drive, we might just have Obamacars.

    • Well, I agree we should not be paying anyone to sit on the couch all day, but it’s sad to see how low the British have sunk. Remember when Britannia ruled the waves, when the sun never set on the British Empire? Their ancestors were a very industrious lot. What happened to these people?

      I’m not sure what these games you speak of are or emo kids, but certainly they should not replace a career or an adults responsibility to their children or their community. It seems to me that if these parents want to reduce their lives to one similar to an earthworms that is their decision, but to limit a child in that way is unconsconible.

      We should only give $ to the young, the old and the sick. Everyone else should work and if they don’t work then they should go hungry. I bet when they get hungry enough they will find a job. When I was a kid and I complained about too much work, my parents would silence me with ” you like to eat, dont you”.

      • “We should only give $ to the young, the old and the sick. ”
        In MOST CASES I don’t think we should give money to the young or the old. I even feel we should restrict giving money to most “sick” folks.
        The young are the responsibility of their parents…if you can’t support them, don’t get pregnant.
        The old are responsible for their own retirement expenses. We all need to wake up and realize that in most cases, one day we won’t be able to work and support ourselves, so save, save, save. If my parents had needed help in their retirement years, I would have stepped up to the plate and assisted them. After all they did it for me when I was too young to work.
        In way too many cases people are claiming to be sick or disabled in order to ride the gravy-train and need to be forced to support themselves.

        • Dusty’s right. Before these govt. programs, people were aided by their family and/or their church. It really goes back to the crux of the matter, does it not? Oh, that would be morals.

          I recall a post from a while back ago where sweet M. spoke on church attendance, or rather, the lack thereof in the UK. I cannot recall the title, but I feel it is a pertinent tie-in to this piece. I do believe that when the govt. breaks the spirit of a man, and the family of the man, the man is truly no longer a man as he has now become an automaton.

          I have an interesting and related Mr. Kells story on this. That is its own post…..

        • Yes Florida is right…..and there is a BIG difference between Giving assistance and giving complete financial support.

          Assistance means we are supplimenting a persons savings and resources because they aren’t quite sufficient to meet living and medical costs……..what we have today is the Makers / Producers footing the entire bill for whole families of non-working Takers.

  4. Here’s the really tough lesson in this story: history also shows that the only way to restore things after they get to this point is to purge the guilty generation. Typically, this has been done by sending them to war where they can be killed, or by allowing them to starve off because they can’t fend for themselves. Either way, the numbers we’re contemplating that have to “go away” sicken me to my core. But the alternative is even more frightening. If we don’t find a way to break from this entitlement mentality, even our self-appointed masters won’t be able to salvage anything from the wreck that is coming. heck, we won’t even be fit to serve as serfs.

  5. When I say young, old, sick I’m talking about the young, old, sick who have no where else to turn. When you’re a kid and your parents die someone has to help you until you can survive on your own. Pretty much the same for the old and sick. Of course it is mandatory you save for old age, but if Bernie Madoff was your financial advisor or if you have a catastrophic illness I would support some kind of revolving fund to keep folks from dying on the streets. Especially if they had been contributing members of the community before their problems.

    For instance, I was left alone in the world when I was young and I was in foster care, which is paid for by taxpayers and I will always be grateful for that. Later, I worked, owned a biz and hopefully paid back in what was spent on me before I left foster care at 16.

    • I fully understand what you meant. What I mean is that if the gov’t quit taking tax money from people like me and “giving” it to those with their hands out, I would have lots more to give to those that need a hand up.
      My point is that America became the greatest nation in the world when taking care of the young, old and sick was done by caring people and not by the gov’t. Once the gov’t got involved, it became a nightmare. I would bet that well over 3/4 of every dollar taken from us taxpayers and given away by the gov’t to “help the young, old and sick” is scammed away either by a faker or a gov’t employee.

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