…so I made it a full post.
Here’s the real deal, Karl, and listen close because this is the root of your lunacy.
You claim that socialism/Marxism/communism is the route to fairness, equality and individual freedom through total democracy – but to achieve that, you have to force people to do things against their will, be things that they do not choose to be and eliminate any sense of security they might have through the elimination of private property.
I don’t know, that doesn’t sound like fairness, equality or freedom to me.
And please don’t be dumb enough to claim that these systems don’t force people into these situations because history and logic proves you wrong. How else can a centrally planned economy work? If there are a shortage of ditch diggers in New York, would the central authority not have to balance that by importing ditch diggers from Kansas, even if they did not want to go? If there is an oversupply of engineers, would the schools not be directed to stop educating engineers and force those who wanted to be an engineer into another area where there was a “need”? If cities are getting to the population limits as decided by the planners, will people not be stopped from moving to the cities or forced to leave even if their families live there? If you do not own your property cannot the state manipulate your access to food, clothing and shelter to “manage” your behavior?
In my time in China, I saw all of this happen. I saw entire villages moved to large construction sites to provide labor. I saw trains jammed with people going home for holiday because the government had moved them to a labor camp. I know people who were denied permission to move from one city to the next because the government would not provide them a house. I saw people manipulated by hunger – where food rations were shipped to the interior so that people could choose to live in Shanghai and starve or go to Wuhan and eat (the modern Communist Party knows the world frowns on them doing this at the point of a gun, so they do it now with bags of rice).
I saw it with my own eyes, Karl. I didn’t read it in a book or see it on the Discovery Channel. I know it happened because I was there while it was happening.
Oh, right. This is Maoist communism, it isn’t your brand. Your brand of Utopian communism would never do this.
Except that this level of control is necessary for any centrally planned system to function – and all collectivist/socialist/Marxist/communist systems are centrally planned.
These forced actions all have occurred/are occurring now because about 20 seconds after a collectivist government is formed, doing something “for the good of the people” becomes the “for the good of the state”, except that “the state” no longer represents the citizen, it represents itself, separate and apart from “the people”.
That is actually what today’s America has in common with Marxist states – and the reason that we are here has nothing to do with the real America – in the real America, the Constitution is the protection against our current situation. But in the America of today, the infiltration of socialist/Marxist/communist thought has perverted our system to the point that it has taken on the characteristics of a centrally planned collectivist state…and the modern communists, the so-called “progressives”, twist logic to blame the Constitution for the very problems they caused. They can’t recognize that they are at fault because like you, their solution is to do more of what is causing the problem – as if injecting more poison will counteract the poison already in the body.
In the American experiment of individual freedom, for me to succeed requires me to ask or demand absolutely nothing of you. In your system, for you to “succeed”, you require all from me – my productivity, my property and by extension, my future, are all owned by the collective to benefit you.
Freedom in a socialist/Marxist/communist system is an illusory concept. As I have pointed out before, collectivists believe that freedom means “freedom from” things. My ideology is about “freedom of“, as in freedom of opportunity, freedom of self-determination, freedom of liberty. You define it as “freedom from“, freedom from economic, political and social risk. I would go as far as to say that it can be equated to freedom from choice – because you think the planners should make most, if not all of your personal decisions – actually, in your world, there are not personal decisions because there are no personal desires, no personal property, no individuality – there is only the “good of the state”.
My ideals require minimal regulation and control, yours require maximum regulation and control. It is clear that you believe that a collective society is the way to go but unfortunately for you, America is not built for collectivists. It is built on individual freedom and voluntary collaboration. American capitalism has provided the highest standard of living for the greatest number of people in the history of mankind. Even communist states like China and Cuba turn to the global free market to solve their internal economic problems – caused by their collectivist national economies – thereby proving my statement that socialists/Marxists/Communists don’t really want to eliminate capitalism, you just want just enough of our capitalism to pay for their socialism/Marxism/communism.
Sure. We have problems and corruption – but to quote Winston Churchill:
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
I like my corruption with a side of freedom, not a hot, steaming dish of oppression.
What is fair? Is it more fair for a person to have the opportunity to succeed on his own merits, even if he might fail – or for that possibility of failure to be avoided by removing the opportunity for success?
When I read the foolish tripe you write, I always think of this: