Where Were The Police In This Case?

Easy: the police were off doing their jobs.  I do not fault the police here, I only wanted to point out the obvious: when life and death balances on seconds, the police are always minutes away.

Do you want to know why we have 2nd Amendment protections?  Because – even if it were not possible to have done so – having the right to be armed at least provides a chance that you would have been able to stop this had it happened to you:

Police identify victims in Illinois killings

Investigators were still trying to piece together the events that led to Scott County’s first homicide in two decades, and why the suspect, Rick O. Smith allegedly walked into a home Wednesday and shot an entire family — including a 6-year-old girl who survived — before he was killed during a shootout with police.

The Illinois State Police said the victims were: 1-year-old Brantley Ralston, 5-year-old Nolan Ralston, 29-year-old James Ralston, 23-year-old Brittney Luark, and 67-year-old Jo Ann Sinclair. Sinclair was Luark’s grandmother.

 

Making guns illegal, restricting the public’s ability to buy ammunition: none of that will ever protect you from someone who aims to do you harm.  Didn’t we learn anything from the Boston bombings, where they used remote controlled car radios and pressure cookers to kill and injure?

This nation needs to decide whether it wishes to be free, or whether it wishes to be sheep.  If you would be free, than you had best accept the fact that life ain’t fair, and it sure as hell ain’t safe.  But if you wish to be sheep, then there is another price to be paid – because they are only cared for until the wolf gets hungry.  Then they are eaten.

78 thoughts on “Where Were The Police In This Case?

  1. It was interesting readin on Dave from Oz’s comment about how great gun banning had been for Australia. Um, yeah, well, I just looked at the stats on that, and they are sca-rewed! In one year, the jump in all categories was enlightening. The report I read was from the Aussie police so I reckon I’ll take their word over Dave’s……..

    • Kells,

      I have a dealer in Oz. He said the jump in crime was so bad, the Auzies have been considering un-doing that ban. As usual, the Left is blind to reality and very, VERY dishonest in reporting facts.

    • Aussies from all over OZ are against this ban …. what’s more they are very Vocal about the US NOT encating Gun Control Here.

      The Fact of the matter ANY Gun Control Laws go Directly against the 2nd Amendment Period …… If there were “Speech-Control” laws it would be no different…..and I mean The Specific State’s Legislature’s enacted “laws” against Free-speech …. If Bloomberg and the New York State Legislature passed a Lwa which said NOONE was allowed to Criticize the NYC Major in public Places ….. THIS would be a Gross infringement on the 1st Amendment Frre-speech rights !

      But this is exactly what has and is happening in NY, MA, Colorado, Illinois, Calif and other States………We are indeed living in a “Post-Constitutional America” as Mark Levin says………..And we need to take it Back to a Constitutional Republic.

  2. The State can never provide safety for “the people”.

    The Soviet Union has always had a higher crime rate than the United States, and they are a military/police state.

    An armed society, where every person is armed, is the safest society. For “the people” and for “the people’s government.”

    When the government no longer trusts its people, it is time for a New Government !

    • I disagree!!!!!! And no the Soviet Union does not have the crime rate that we have here, we are living almost in a state of emergency where any one can buy a gun and leave it unsecured and have a little baby pull the trigger and kill the person he loves the most , sad and horrible…

      • daniella,

        Statistics — from many nations and across many time periods — disagree with you. The only time data shows disarmament as “safe” is when it is “massaged,” or presented without context (as in, you can’t have a weapon in Cuba, so you are “safe.”).

      • Daniellajoe,
        I have posted the links to scholarly, yes unbiased, peer reviewed studies, by criminologists and economists, in the “gun control” posts I’ve made. In fact the Soviet Union has always had a higher “crime rate” than America.

        Please do some research from unbiased entities who are not trying to impose their will upon others.

        I know it is difficult to remove “emotional fears and the lies which feed those fears”, but one can do it.

        Literally every alleged “study” that advocates civilian disarmament will make America safer, ie. lower crime rate, is purposely, statistically, flawed.

          • Daniella,
            America would never have created herself, and cannot exist with your vision. America cannot be America as a “police/military state”. The state which disarms its citizenry must create a military/police so large it always suffocates liberty.

            America’s founders knew and understood from experience the power inherent in a “powerful army/police” and wrote voluminously on the dangers inherent in a standing army. Why did Japan not invade America at the time of Pearl harbor as it had invaded China? Not because of America’s military presence. Because the citizenry was armed. As Japanese officers described, “a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

            May I suggest a book for you to read? I have suggested it often as I believe it exhibits, through showing BOTH sides, the spirit of America, and the fear and lack of understanding of liberty by an all powerful “government”.

            http://www.amazon.com/Paul-Reveres-David-Hackett-Fischer/dp/0195098315

            Paul Reveres Ride, by David Hackett Fischer

            daniella,
            I wish you all the best, and hope someday you find comfort in your heart with the ability to trust your “fellow American” with the right of, the “natural law” of self defense.

            • “I wish you all the best, and hope someday you find comfort in your heart with the ability to trust your “fellow American” with the right of, the “natural law” of self defense.”

              OUTSTANDING!

              Couldn’t have said it better, myself.

          • Daniella,

            Why do you want to be ruled? I mean, if you do not trust a free people, then you must only trust an all-powerful govt., which means you want to be ruled over. Why? Are you that afraid of liberty? Do you distrust your fellow man that much? And yourself, included?

            Seriously, think about the logical extension/implications of what you’re saying. If you cannot trust me with that weapon now, why would you trust me just because I put on a uniform. That’s like saying condoms cause rape, or guns cause murder.

            • If I may make a little Progression of the observed comments here….

              I think Daniella thinks SHE is already of right mind….and doesn’t need to be ruled.
              I think she FEELS that YOU (Joe, Me, Texas, Utah and ALL 2nd Amendment supporters) should be ruled.
              The word FEEL was used on purpose.

              • I hope not, because that would place her on the wrong side of right — and opposite me, you and the rest who stand for liberty.

                I prefer to assume she is just in need of a little clarity of mind (unless/until she proves you right).

                • Gottcha Boss……………Guess this just has me confused as to wether or not she has yet “proved me right”….

                  “daniellajoe
                  April 25, 2013 at 16:00 Reply
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                  Strongly disagree!!!! Civilians should NOT be armed….”

      • Daniella,

        You are just NOT correct about Russia…..Gun crime is rampant….including assassinations of Journalists etc…. Additionally, physical violence and murder are quite high WIITHOUT guns too , as is rape and theft leading to assault.

        • I know about the bad parts of society I try to stay away from horrible news, in Russia they kill more journalists but you don’t see the rampant crime especially from young kids that you see here..they still have crime….

                • I imagine….but how can we try to live a positive and peaceful life when we are constantly in a state of panic and war…road rage with armed people, co workers with a short paranoid fuse etc

                  • Daniella,

                    You have that now — and still, you only have to worry about those who will be armed even when the govt. makes guns totally illegal. Only, then, you won’t have any way to defend yourself, nor will you ever be able to acquire it.

                    You are worried about the hearts of people and blaming it on inanimate objects. That is a form of intellectual disconnect. It is irrational. And as long as you rely on irrational thinking to deal with a rational world, you will continue to have the problems you have now and only multiply them with solutions that cannot possibly work.

                    • The search for truth and understanding — wisdom — is not a “you win, i loose” endeavor. If that’s what you see me doing, then I do not understand why you would read my posts or engage in a conversation with me. I learn from you, why do I have to “win” rather than make a point that you may want to reconsider?

                    • Just a figure of speech, but really we need to find a common ground about all these weapons that can take out 20 or 30 people in minutes….

                    • Yeah, let’s outlaw them so people will move more toward bombs. I’m sure they won’t do any more harm.

                      DANIELLA!!!

                      it is the heart of the individual — NOT INANIMATE OBJECTS! Look to how we change the heart, not to how we control things. otherwise, you are going to push someone to the point where they will use gas in the subway because you took their rifles.

                      If you doubt me, I’ll start listing the per-curser stories for you…

  3. Joe and Texas, I have no problem with government, it is not perfect and neither are we, but we do need guidelines, especially for people who tend to take the law into their own hands, remember the muslisms, they will kill their daughters or sons for no good reason in what they call honor killings, in fact I heard of a case of a father in law who killed his daughter in law because she was brushing her hair IN her home by a Window, the son pleaded for the life of his wife because she was a good wife and mom and another brother and the father in law still took her and killed her, trust me i am law abiding citizen, but i could go rogue too if anyone does that to my child….let me stop here……

    • Daniella,

      Cool. So, when the law starts to make you do things like give your child to the State to do with as it will (it will be the law), and label you a “child abuser” if you try to stop them (already happening), you are going to just let the State do what it wants with your child. Glad to know.

      Me, on the other hand: I will at least have the means to resist because I know that what is right is seldom what is legal, and what the law says is seldom what is right.

      Oh, and not to worry: all those laws YOU say YOU will follow will NOT apply to the people passing them. For the most part, they already don’t.

      Now look at the wonderful cage you made for all of us because you were afraid. I just hope they pick you to eat first, because I didn’t ask to be where you are trying to put me.

      • No Joe, I set limits too, my child IS my child, not the government’s…but look this discussion is getting out of hand, we agree on some things, I do believe in civil disobedience in some cases, but I do not believe in a lawless society….

        • Daniella,
          We are NOT advocating a lawless society ! (aka:anarchy)

          That is why Joe And I are not libertarians.

          We believe in a republic, a constitutional republic, limited, which does not transgress humankind’s natural rights.

        • Daniella,

          No, it’s not getting out of hand, you’re just being forced to face the reality of where your line of thinking inevitably leads all societies. In this case, the govt. DOES believe they own your child; they have started to say so; and — in some places and cases — they have started to act accordingly and have passed laws to support them. So, as YOU said you will obey the law, I am merely pointing out that you may soon lose the legal privilege of raising your kids as you see fit. And if that happens, how will you answer someone who says that parents have no right to their kids when you denied me my right to self defense???

          I think the problem you’re having is that you’re equivocating. Owning a weapon does NOT equate to lawlessness. Lawlessness is int he heart, and NO law can control that — only provide an excuse to imprison or execute.

    • Danniella, I stated above:
      “I wish you all the best, and hope someday you find comfort in your heart with the ability to trust your “fellow American” with the right of, the “natural law” of self defense.”

      In America, 4x’s more crimes are stopped by law abiding citizens with firearms. If those citizens did not have firearms, those crimes would be completed. And the crime rate would be at least 5x’s higher.

      More people are murdered with hands, fists, hammers, clubs, rocks, than with firearms.

      Every year babies are “shaken” to death. In order to be consistent, should America outlaw, all these implements that caused death, don’t leave out parents now.

      More people die in car crashes from in attentiveness due yo mobile phones.

      If we follow your logic, govt. should outlaw hands, fists, rocks, hammers, clubs, phones, Muslim fathers, parents with the tools(hands) to shake their babies…

    • As you indeed SHOULD Daniella …. but it would NOT be going rogue…..it would be protecting your Daughter and her *Natural Rights* to Life, …Liberty… and the Pursuit of her own Path in life….

  4. Joe, your dealer in Oz is lying to you. Gun-related crime is down, and crime was so low anyway that a single mass murder raised the murder rate in Tasmania 8-fold year over year. Australians never had a constitutional right to bear arms, and the government is not seizing them.

          • I have not seen a SINGLE post by him that is even slightly Critical of anyone….or any Idea…or any philosophy of the Left…..not a single one. I am NOT a Libertarian, but I go to their sites……And to me, Greg-Cobb-salad muslim Al’Malfamy isn’t anywhere close to the Libertarian view either.

            Conversely his posts read like a Play-book from the Leftist-Union sites…..some of it word for word I might add.

            In short I think he applies his own “Home-grown” version of Kitman and Tagiyya.

            • I’ve yet to see any evidence of critical thinking in your comments, ameche. Your feeble attempts at name-calling represent the height of your intellectual capabilities.

              • That’s NOT true… !!!

                I’m a VERY good name caller O’ Sick one …..
                I’m also very good at ferreting out purposeful obfuscation. You are 100% critical of Conservatives and Jeffersonians Liberals……You have never advocated anything close to recognizable as a Libertarian……You are 100% supportive of / Progressive Goals and policies…..
                And you advocate 100% FOR the worship of the pedophile mohamedd ….. and not one criticism of any action Taken or NOT taken ( as in the moderate muslim silence) …. by the mohameddans has ever graced these comment sections.

                • How many times do I have to post lists like this?
                  http://islam.about.com/cs/currentevents/a/9_11statements.htm
                  I am an atheist, I don’t care which imaginary friend anyone pretends to have. I know there are bad muslims, there are also bad Jews, and bad christians. If defend Muslims, and i defend Santeria practioners.
                  Have you ever publicly spoken out against pro-life killers and bombers, like Eric Rudolph? Why not? Have you ever apologized for the taking of the Aztecs’ gold and their subsequent enslavement? You’re a christian, and christians did some terrible things, so where i your apology?

                  • You’ll notice I said “Graced THESE comments Sections” ….. or you won’t,… since what Utah said is spot on …. you SELECT info to support your views and twisted logic……and disgard obvious facts which contradict your position.

                    And once again….You claim to be an Athiest yet say you defend muslims and Satanist santeria practioners …. and in the very same Paragragh condem once again Jews and Christians. You say bad muslims ….but NEVER condem their Actions or words…..an example of Taqiyya.

                    Have the Native “Aztecs” ever apologized to the Maya for slaughtering thousands by cutting their hearts out while alive ???? ( that was their “religion”…so you probably defend that practice as well) Or for enslaving the Olmec , Mixtec, ChiChimec , Maya and other countless people ??? Perhaps their fate was……Karma…..for their “good” social Work??? And perhaps they should have …”Shared:”….the Gold they stole from the peoples and Cukltures they murdered and enslaved ???

                    Christianity has been the savior of humanity…..its promotion of Freedom and love the very antithesis of human brutality from the beginning of time. How do you know if I’m Christian ….. you assume and mouth off with the typical authority of a Liberal about everything and everybody.

    • Another total BS post from the muslim liar …. Tasmania is NOT Autralia.

      The OZ government did indeed “sieze ” ….. by legislation……you are a virtual Bottomless Pit if Disinfo and lies.

      • Tasmania is indeed part of the Australian commonwealth. What made you think it wasn’t? Now back up your unfinished sentences, with facts or links

        • Are you really as idiotic as you look and sound?

          That’s a rhetorical question ….. Using Tasmania as an example ( with a small Population) as a Proxy for all of OZ…..is like using Chicago or Alaska as a proxy for America.

          Most understood ….. cept of course The emotionalyy Ill one Malfamy.

  5. “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.” – Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson

    “The constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves;
    that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom
    of the press.” Thomas Jefferson

    “The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” -Thomas Jefferson

    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson

  6. Joe – Here you have one of the framers of the Constitution and the writer of the Declaration of Independence telling us EXACTLY why the 2nd Amendment was put into the Constitution and why it’s important. People, primarily progressive libs, want to tell us today what the 2nd Amendment really meant, but Jefferson, universally recognized as being one of the greatest of the founding fathers, knew what they (all of them) were doing when it was put into place.

    Note the subtle differences –

    As passed by the Congress:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

    • FC,

      I know. What’s more, when you read the documents from the time we were ratifying the BoR’s, you will find there was a heated dispute as to whether or not the 2nd Amendment should have been first. For many of our founders, without the 2nd, all others were a mute point.

      This is why the Left has to work so hard to disconnect us from the founders and original intent.

  7. An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

    Robert A. Heinlein

    Trust me, after having Bush 43 for 8 years,followed by his apparently avid fan, I am all in favor of having an armed citizenry.

    • Old Robert A had the Starsip Troopers attacking the “progressive-Statist drones”….errrr *Bugs* I mean.

      If you are in favor of an Armed Citizenry……there might be a slim /dim hope for you yet. I will pray.

    • “I am all in favor of having an armed citizenry.” – Imam Melfamy

      You do. It’s called the TSA, and the Homeland Security, as well as the IRS … all quickly becoming better armed than the US military. So tell me Greg, who’s going to save us from this modern day Gestapo? You?

      Doubtful. You are too much of a gutless apologist and excuse maker.

      We’ll save ourselves if it comes to that … the American Patriot of freedom, and liberty. We’ve done it before, and we’ll do it again. You can count on that, pal.

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