The Normal Situation, Really, is to Take Money From the Kafir

Why are western governments willfully blind to the root cause of Islamic terror – Islam?

Douglas Murray has a masterful article in the Wall Street Journal today:

How many ignored warnings does it take? That is one question that should hang over Britain after the horror of the daytime murder of a British soldier on the streets of south London. On Wednesday afternoon, Drummer Lee Rigby was killed in Woolwich by two men wielding large knives and shouting “Allahu akbar”—God is great.

Islamists have been saying for years they would do this. They have planned to do it. And now they have done it.

The attack itself is not surprising. What is surprising is that British society remains so utterly unwilling not just to deal with this threat, but even to admit its existence. Politicians have called the Woolwich killing “unforgivable” and “barbarous.” But expressions of anger should not really be enough.

Attempts to attack military targets in Britain go back to before the millennium and even before, it is important to note, the war on terror. In 1998 Amer Mirza, a member of the now-banned extremist group al Muhajiroun, attempted to petrol-bomb British army barracks. In 2007, a cell of Muslim men was found guilty of plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier in Birmingham. The plan had been to take the soldier to a lock-up garage and cut off his head “like a pig.” They wanted to film this act on camera and send it around the world to cause maximum terror….

Too many still seek refuge in ignorance and denial that was so memorably displayed by U.S. officials after the Fort Hood shooting in 2009. A man who was a member of the American armed forces, Maj. Nidal Hasan, gunned down his colleagues while shouting “Allahu akbar.” On that occasion the American government, like the French government before it and the British government this week, decided to focus on everything about the attack other than what really mattered: the motive. Fort Hood was put down to a case of workplace violence.

There will be many angles to the events in London that must be addressed in the coming days, and we can hope many will receive the appropriate level of public attention. Among them will be one particularly unpleasant irony.

Most of the extremists who have repeatedly expressed their hatred of British soldiers are themselves supported by the British state. A prominent hate-preacher—Anjem Choudary, a leader of the disbanded al Muhajiroun—was even caught on video earlier this year extolling Britain’s “jihad-seekers’ allowance.” As he explained to his followers, “The normal situation, really, is to take money from the kafir“—a slur for non-Muslims. “Allahu akbar. We take the money.”

After the video showed up online, a BBC reporter asked Mr. Choudary to clarify how much he’s taking—the press has long reported a sum of £25,000 ($37,770) per year. “It’s irrelevant,” Mr. Choudary replied.

This would not be the first time a country has paid both sides in a conflict. But if the reported figure is anywhere near accurate, it would surely be the first time in human history that a society has paid its opponents better than it pays its own. A British soldier can expect to start in the army on a salary of around £16,000 ($24,172).

The events in south London must cause a re-evaluation by British society of the insanity we have been permitting. The question is not how sad we feel. The only question should be what we do about it.

 

 

44 thoughts on “The Normal Situation, Really, is to Take Money From the Kafir

  1. “Why are western governments willfully blind to the root cause of Islamic terror – Islam?”

    I don’t have the figures, but how many Muslims are in the world today, and how many have adopted the “terrorist” mentality? Just as Joe has pointed out, verbiage in the Quran advocates destruction of infidels, but how many modern Muslims practice such methods? While verbiage in the New Testament commands us to love our enemies, how many modern-day Christians embrace it?

    I think the roots of modern Islamic terrorist movements are to be found elsewhere, but those orchestrating violence find Muhammad’s words useful in manipulating the vulnerable.

    • If you “think the roots of modern Islamic terrorist movements are to be found elsewhere”, then you are as lost as the people in our government. The common denominator is Islam and what it commands the believer to do.

      We got hit even though we were in Bosnia on the side of the Muslim population. We were hit years before 9/11. Bin Laden and the 7/7 London bombing mastermind were wealthy, the 9/11 hijackers were well educated. The roots of jihad go back to the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabbism back in the 1920’s – before the creation of Israel.

      The Sufi, Sunni and Shia sects have been at war with each other since the death of Muhammad.

      When someone screams Allah Akbar as they cut off someone’s head, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that is the reason for the attack.

      You equivocation between Isalm and Christianity is a pretty weak attempt to excuse it – comparing not loving your neighbor to brutal attacks is a real stretch.

      • “The Sufi, Sunni and Shia sects have been at war with each other since the death of Muhammad.”

        This is an interesting point, in that if we were not so extensively involved in that part of the world, perhaps they would contain themselves to fighting one another. Does our defense of Israel, demand that we be involved in every Muslim country? Or are we attempting to make Christianity safe throughout the world?

        This is a stretch, but what would be the effect of finding the young Tsarnaev brother to have been under the influence of his older brother and releasing him to his mother? It would have quite an impact, I would think. What if we followed that up with public announcements that we were ending drone strikes? What if we went even further, and said we are withdrawing from the area; you guys are on your own, but anyone who screws with Israel is toast?

        Every tinhorn terrorist would have no choice but to claim victory and shut up. Their only other option would be to merge into a consolidated front against Israel, and our warnings would have to be backed up with bold actions. If it going to come to that anyway, we might as well narrow down the list of enemies.

        • “what would be the effect of finding the young Tsarnaev brother to have been under the influence of his older brother and releasing him to his mother? It would have quite an impact, I would think.”

          Yeah, it would have quite an impact. I would think that if some pot-smokin-assfu*k -luvin welfare recipient kook took my limb or my kid’s life got to go home to psycho mommy without his just desserts (those being the ones that put ya down after dinner….ala James Bond) that the impact would be felt far more than what we are letting the current A$$F*CK-IN-Chief feel. Jes sayin….

          • I’m sure that is the same type of response generated when innocent people are killed and maimed on the other side. When we can send in unmanned drones, at will, the ones who want revenge resort to more desperate measures. Hope they don’t get a sponsor well-off enough to fund a drone operation of their own. 🙂

            • Well, I am certain that the warmongering Obama will blame Bush, and or the hapless Republicans for the drone strikes as well. God knows, he’s yet to accept any responsibility for anything.

        • Did you miss the part about Islamic terrorism starting in the 1920’s? Our defense of Israel is just an excuse to fight to create a grand caliphate. Ever hear of the Moors?

          Steve: If I may ask, have you ever been to Spain? North Africa? Anywhere in the Middle East?

          Because I have.

          Do you really think that the conflict is over the 8,000 square miles of land that Israel is made up of when only 16% of that land is even arable?

          https://therionorteline.com/2013/04/27/debating-the-rnl-imam/

          Returned him to his mother? The mother who said: “If they are going to kill him. I don’t care. My oldest son is killed, so I don’t care. I don’t care if my youngest son is going to be killed today. I want the world to hear this. And, I don’t care if I am going to get killed too. And I will say Allahu Akbar!”

          Yeah, it is our fault for being over there.

          I don’t hate Muslims but when a murder or a homicide bomber screams the name of Allah as he kills and the “good” Muslims don’t rise up to defeat these radicals in their own countries, then I have to assume that they are on the bandwagon.

            • “How is it you missed the point Utah? But for Israel, we would have no interest in the area at all.”

              Aside from the fact that all three of the “great” religions recognize that Israel is the holy land ….

              But how is it Steve, that you are missing the point. The purpose of Islam is to spread Islam throughout the world … by violence if need-be. Of course, it couldn’t be that, now could it?

              • Exactly. He missed the part where I said that Israel is just an excuse, that Islamic terrorism started in the 1920’s BEFORE Israel existed…and the part about the caliphate…and the part where the believe that Spain is theirs…

                • I’m still don’t think you’re understanding my point.

                  I am willing to concede the date the current state of Israel was established and our need to defend it at all cost, but there is no other legitimate reason to be involved in the Middle East. Oil has been our excuse.

      • The Wahabists were Created the same year as the Declaration of Independence I believe….1776 !!

        Jihad is the corner-stone of islam itself….From its’ beginning. Jihad is mentioned 31 times in koran as “Holy War” and another 79 times related to the phrase..”engage in war”.

        Jihad and muslim Violence CANNOT be separated from islam or muslims……in any way. It IS what islam is…..it IS what muslims ARE…….

        THIS is what the west needs to understand ….. we are NOT dealing with radicals…..but a RADICAL CULT itself based on submission or Death.

        It really IS that simple…..unfortunate, but that simple and True.

    • Steve…. You say ..”….I think the roots of modern Islamic terrorist movements are to be found elsewhere…”

      Islam has been Terrorizing the world since its’ inception ….. as a recent post by Utah clearly showed.

        • Here is a long quote from a story about the muslim’s rioting in Sweden…
          .”Young Muslims who enjoy tolerance, social institutions and welfare while living in Sweden nevertheless refuse to integrate into the West, Gerolf Annemans told RT. Annemans is the parliamentary leader of Vlaams Belang (‘Flemish Interest’), a Belgian far-right nationalist political party.

          “They [Muslim youths] have always sought excuse to show that they are not agreeing with the basic values of Western society,” Annemans said, pointing to the recent cases of the Boston Marathon bombing in the US and yesterday’s beheading of a British soldier in the UK.

          “It’s always the same problem. There is a massive refusal by Muslim youngsters of the basics of Western society… and they take any excuse whatsoever to show that with violence – that is where the problem is,” he said.

          The Problem is islam itself and the fact that NO STRONG and PUBLIC outcry from the so-called “Moderate muslims ” takes place….there is NO self-regulation amongst the Mohamedd worshippers.

          http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-outbreak-fires-671/

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        • Yeah….don’t bogart that joint, my friend. I hear they were tokin at the WTC before all hell broke loose. Yessiree; I think we were targeted due to our killer sensimillia, baby! That’s it! Best to stay aware and have the govt. handle these crises. (They are the experrts on the war on drugs…..duh!)

          And speaking of the commonly heard phrase,” Allahu akbar”, the reality is that they are desperately trying to push their agriculture……listen carefully: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiJbhoA8zw

        • “Sure, but I’m just saying we make ourselves an easy target.”

          Why sure we do. We are Christians, we are Jews, we are anything but Islam … therefore we are infidels. Despite what you think, they really don’t need a further reason. Everything else is icing on the cake to them.

          • I was referring more to things like being so cozy with the Saudi Royal family, and our support of the Shah of Iran, and God only knows what other little “diplomatic” endeavors we have been involved with that pissed someone else off.

    • “I don’t have the figures, but how many Muslims are in the world today, and how many have adopted the “terrorist” mentality? Just as Joe has pointed out, verbiage in the Quran advocates destruction of infidels, but how many modern Muslims practice such methods?”

      We discussed this in another thread. I think we identified 246(?) different terrorist organizations claiming Islamic religious principles from a US government website. The exact numbers are likely growing in the digital age, but is the ratio really that important Steve? The havoc of even a ‘few’ (if that is the case) is beginning to creep the entire world out, and sooner or later … ordinary citizens aren’t going to accept being the victims anymore, and instead are going to become the vigilantes. I guess at that point, lines will be drawn in the sand, and we’ll see who is standing where then.

      Your last statement echoes one I have made before … any religion is subject to bastardization, but I think given the structure and teachings of Islam, it lends itself to bastardization on a level the world has never seen before. Even the Catholic IRA couldn’t muster this amount of sustained chaos in their heyday.

      • islam is a cult of intimidation, murder, coercion by rape, war and subjugation by violence…… from its beginning….from its FIRST teachings , not just Hadith.

        The West needs to come to grips with the REALITY of this cult that worships one man…..not what they THINK or WANT it to be…..not what the Media PROPAGANDA shoves at us.

        You shall know them by their acts ( their Deeds)…….. They spread Violence and death….to people and to whole Cultures. The rest are Silent……and complicit in their silence they support the violence and intimidation.

        It has been throughout their history…..in EVERY Culture they have encountered….they haven’t gotten along with Middle Eastern Cultures, African Cultures, European Cultures, Centarl Asian Cultures or East Asian Cultures…….their history is Crystal Cl;ear for those who will read and research it, instead of repeating Progressive Porpaganda.

        It really isn’t any more complicated than this.

        • James 1:26-27

          26 If any man among you seem to be religious and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
          27 Pure religion, undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

      • “I think we identified 246(?) different terrorist organizations claiming Islamic religious principles from a US government website.”

        I was talking total numbers of Muslims. In the 246 groups, how many people would be actively involved? The total number of terrorists, or sympathizers even, as a percentage of the whole is likely minuscule, don’t you think? Yet we spend billions, upon billions, because of their activities. If we were no longer a convenient target, what would these guys do then?

        If we could extricate ourselves and cut off the foreign “aid” dollars for a while, we might see these guys redirecting their energies elsewhere.

        • I think I have already given you the rationales as to the numbers, what they mean, the ratios, and why they do not matter, and the motives.

          Put that all together and these attacks are not a matter of connivence Steve. No, it’s all about the slaughter of infidels.

          While I am all for cutting off any funds for them, and believe me I am, it goes without saying that doing so would only add another layer for their excuses to kill us.

        • You just Repeat and repeat and repeat …… with no addressing what’s said…..with no addressing what History has recorded.

          The muslims have done the same things for approx 1,350 YEARS !……long before any body gave any foriegn aide to anybody else, anywhere …… you are just a part of the “Blame the US….Blame the WEST Crowd “…….just a re-tread of Liberal Hate-speech and blame the victim.

          And you totally ignore the Silence of the vast majority of muslims, when organized groups murder in their name…….

          • “I know a little of the history, especially the Moors, but that history is not unlike the history of man from the beginning.”

            IMO, man’s history has always been about one person, or group, desiring power over others. “Religion” has been used throughout as a binding agent, but I put more stock in the Golden Rule of history: “Them that got the gold, make the rules.”

            In that respect, over the past 1,350 years, the U.S., having not existed, was not a player. As a player today, I still maintain that, concerning the Middle east, we spend too much (And not just foreign aid. Our military has become more like publicly-funded mercenaries.), and agitate too much. As a result, we are forced to worry too much, but what I worry most about is that the price of maintaining an “empire” is always bankruptcy.

            • Your conflateing issues and Muddying Real History by the Progressive term…” I still maintain that….”

              THIS is rdownfall at root…………..Progressives believing THEIR thoughts and THEIR views superceed History and current facts.

              The Profligate Social Entitlement Spending is the Root cause of America’s Bankruptcy along with the Treasury/Fed Reserve Monetizing by printing money ( which under their system IS just more Debt). The argument over Empire and Bankruptcy is an old one promoted by Uber-Liberals like Paul Kennedy, utilizing incomplete economic models.

              In fact recent DNA evidence is showing that the Roman Empire likely faltered because of Plague…..with an estimated 100 Million deaths. The end result is probably multi-factorial……but the reductionist progressive assumptions just don’t reflect the reality. And as such they don’t merit the Ron Paul analysis of Economic or Political realities as they are affecting us today.

              That’s RIGHT the US was not a “Playor” during the entire 1,350 year Blood-bath that is muslim History……and that was and is my point. The US or Modern Britain or anywhere else is irrelevent to muslim action…….because their violence is endemic and a PART of their religion…..it IS their belief and religion…….as History on EVERY continent has clearly showm……..In spite of what You “Maintain” about fiscal policy or any other item of Government.

              Any Culture different from that expressed in koran is irrelevant to muslims…….the only thing relevant to them is that cultures’ defeat…..as their “book” tells them…..and us, if we will but read and listen and learn.

              • The threat from tinhorn terrorists, as I called them earlier, has been exaggerated for political purposes. You complain about “social entitlements”, but downplay the amount we spend on our military. Empires are created by military might, and the cost of maintaining large military forces is not cheap. I think we are approaching $1T for our “defense”. Who are we defending against?

                Unfunded liabilities for Social Security and Medicare are staggering, but they could be fixed rather easily if it were not for the politics involved, and they are future liabilities. Be concerned, but don’t be distracted. Our current deficits are being aggravated by an economy crashed by the Wall Street gang who are in bed with the Federal Reserve. I do believe Congress must take back control of our monetary system, and our tax code must be reformed. Again, that requires an act of Congress, and Congress is unable to act.

                The global Muslim threat, and the notion that the U.S. is responsible for combating it, is a product of propaganda manufactured to keep us in line. If we believe the threat is real, and remain silent, we place our stamp approval on the wars and CIA operations without real oversight. Don’t worry about it; leave the dirty work to us. Just buy a new electronic gadget and have fun.

                “Any Culture different from that expressed in koran is irrelevant to muslims…”

                As a Christian, the Koran is irrelevant to me, and I believe the only way to convert anyone to Christianity is by example.

                • I think you have done an excellent job at Propagandizing yourself.

                  The worshippers of the pedophile mohamedd continue their “goodwork” right up til today. Plots of beheading US soldiers in the US….actual beheadings in Broad Daylight of a Soldiers in the UK, attack on same in France, Riots in Sweden, Terrorist Bombing in Boston, another attempt to Bring down a Plane….all in the last Week to month. And I’m just scratching the surfice.

                  And you say it is (1) “Tinhorn terrorists” and (2) US propganda., (3)” Who are we defending against”

                  Endless Social Spending is OK …. it is the Evil Military and evil Military spending that is to Blame …… Sounds Just like a Talking point from Obama / Hillary / John Kerry……real original. ( with a little Ron Paul re-tread of Paul Kennedy out of Yale thrown in)…… Like I said above…Blame America….Blame the average citizen…..blame the Military.

                  Then you dismiss the murdered victims of this Domestic War with…”As a Christian, the koran is irrelevant to me…”

                  It sure isn’t irrelevant to the 13 killed and 39 wounded at Ft Hood, the Victims in Boston, the UK soldier or his mates and family etc etc…..But I’m sure they feel comforted byyour indifference,

                  Good Christians like Martel and outside Vienna and BudaPest showed by example that they wouldn’t allow innocent women and children to be killed by “Tinhorn Terrorists”……. Thus saved Europe from the “imagined” threat of the Peaceful religion.

                  But then they didn’t have the Benefit of your “Independent” enlightened sensibilities.

          • Ameche, I have posted a link on this site to many of the formal condemnation of the 9/11 murderers and prayer vigils by muslims for the victims of 9/11, one right here in panama City was featured in Time magazine.
            The fact is, you do not want to hear good things about muslims, because it is easier for you to just hate and fear. You are a sick man.

        • Nor is this a “new phenomenon”:

          So it’s just fair play that Muslims should be allowed to slash throats?

          You are aware that the Irish and Scots were treated similarly in America, right?

          • Being of Italian and Irish extraction, I have heard more stories about prejudice and intimidation from my aunts and uncles.
            Now, the Irish were discriminated against for being drunken louts, which some were. But the negative stereotype always seemed to take precedence over the fact that most Irish were hard-working family-loving citizens. The Irish persisted, and are now a welcome addition to the American family
            With the Italians, the image was of papist, bomb-throwing anarchists or later, mafioso. The Italians just kept working, and are now a welcome addition to the American family.
            The muslims are no different in this regard. Just as with the other groups, the stupid and horrid fill our mental screens, crowding the vast majority of hard-working muslim-Americans to the margins. Muslims are hard-working, business-oriented, capitalists and family-friendly. their introversion is no help to assimilation, but I had great-aunts who never bothered to learn English.
            Sometimes it is up to us to extend the welcoming hand. They are fast becoming a part of the American family anyway, so let’s stop making the mistakes of the past, whaddya say?

            With muslims, the prejudice and fears start anew.

            • Peace in our time, so is that it?

              “They are fast becoming a part of the American family anyway, so let’s stop making the mistakes of the past, whaddya say?”

              Yeah, let’s stop making the mistakes of the past where we ignore issues until there is a world war. Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that it isn’t just what happens in your little world or just in America.

              Ahhh, hell, what’s the point? It’s just a little terrorism by a couple of jerks anyway and it always happens to other people, right? Better to just apologize and ignore it or they might come after me.

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