The Problem Is, McCarthy Was Right!

So, apparently we trust the govt. and media when it comes to a scandal such as the NSA domestic spying allegations.  OK, well, I accept.  Media reports are to be taken as factual.  So, let’s not be too quick to assume the NSA is doing anything wrong before we have any evidence against the NSA – right?  Then what are we supposed to make of these assumed factual stories?

Timeline of NSA Domestic Spying

Seriously, click the link, scroll all the way down and start reading the timeline.  It reads from bottom to top.

Former NSA officials file court motion with evidence of NSA domestic spying

Three former NSA officials, who were previously targeted by the federal government for leaking details about the NSA’s domestic spying program, have resurfaced to provide evidence in a lawsuit against the agency.

The three men — William E. Binney, Thomas A. Drake and J. Kirk Wiebe — filed a legal motion on July 2 as part of the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s lawsuit Jewel v NSA. According to the EFF, a San Francisco-based digital civil liberties group, the case is aimed toward ending “the NSA’s dragnet surveillance of millions of Americans and holding accountable the government officials who illegally authorized it.”

The case, originally filed in 2008, was spurred by evidence provided by former AT&T telecommunications technician Mark Klein that showed the NSA had routed copies of Internet traffic through a secret NSA-controlled room at an AT&T facility in San Francisco.

[NOTE: this story means Snowden has NOT “leaked” anything that hasn’t already been in the courts.  If you don’t know that, let me ask you: WHY DO YOU TRUST THE MEDIA AND GOVT?]

NSA Domestic Spying Program Makes Xbox One Even Scarier

The Guardian is reporting that the government has had essentially unfettered access to the servers of most of the biggest American tech companies since the end of the Bush administration.

This access began in 2007 and includes tech giants like Google GOOG -0.91%, Yahoo YHOO -1.93%, Apple AAPL -1.28%, Facebook FB -1.09% and Microsoft MSFT +0.43%.

Under the program—dubbed PRISM—the government can access all of your photos, email correspondence, stored data, and basically whatever else you do using these online services. The program has continued to this date under the Obama administration, according to the Guardian.

Again, this story isn’t really anything new.  Check out the dateline in this story:

‘Everyone in US under virtual surveillance’ – NSA whistleblower

Published time: December 04, 2012 14:01
Edited time: December 05, 2012 19:13

The FBI records the emails of nearly all US citizens, including members of congress, according to NSA whistleblower William Binney. In an interview with RT, he warned that the government can use this information against anyone.

Binney, one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in the history of the National Security Agency, resigned in 2001. He claimed he no longer wanted to be associated with alleged violations of the Constitution, such as how the FBI engages in widespread and pervasive surveillance through powerful devices called ‘Naris.’

Heck, even Wiki knew about the WARRANTLESS NSA SPYING before Snowden ever came on the scene:

NSA warrantless surveillance (2001-2007)

So, your next accusing question is: “Why do all these ‘whistle blowers go to foreign media to blow their whistles?”  Well, 1 – you still trust our media and 2 – if they are telling you the truth, would you trust this govt.?  Really, if you were going to take on the most powerful organization on earth, would you trust the cooperative that has repeatedly proven it habitually lies – the U.S. media and govt.?

Seriously, how far are we prepared to go to give the govt. the benefit of the doubt here?  It is NOT a person; therefore, it has no rights.  It is OUR servant; therefore, we can question it however we want – even to the point of holding it guilty until it proves it is innocent.  If we forget this, we deserve to be serfs.

20 thoughts on “The Problem Is, McCarthy Was Right!

  1. Again, Mr. Philosopher, a complete misstatement of every position that I have taken – but you are kicking the hell out of that strawman. Good job.

    I never said that we should trust “government”. What I said is that we need to be able to trust our SYSTEM of government, the people in it, not so much. I never said that we should give the NSA the “benefit of the doubt” – I said that we don’t have all the information and if they acted outside of the established laws and guidelines then they should be prosecuted.

  2. Joe,

    I think that the circumstances surrounding Snowden is extremely dynamic, and I am beginning to question his motive now that he has entered in to collusion with China … which is proving to give the Democrats a point. They have a point.

    I think there’s going to be a lot of folks who are going to regret joining the “Snowden is a hero” bandwagon.

    If I were in charge of the Republican party, at this point I would put no more time and or effort in to Snowden, and get back to the issues of Bengahzi, the various IRS probes, and the other associated scandals … and see them to conclusion. Let the Democrats take on Snowden. The ACLU is suing the Obama administration for it’s wiretapping policies, as it affects them directly.

    So let the liberals marginalize each other. All we have to do is sit on our constitutional principles, and keep them first.

    Side bar: What bombshell is Beck about to drop? The marketing has been at a fever-pitch over this one.

    • Augger,

      So, in other words, who cares if the govt. is collecting a database on EVERY American that the Left has said they will use to keep EVERYONE in line and punish their enemies???

      OK, how about that IRS, huh? Perfect time to abolish it and — so far — no Republican LEADERSHIP has even mentioned it.

      Or Benghazi: got the President dead-to-rights in high treason yet, crickets.

      Yeah, we’re going to get somewhere with that (hope you see my reason for skepticism, Augger 🙂 )

      As for Beck, I don’t know. All I know is, IF he wanted to, he has EVERY reason to be holding a world-class gloat fest right now.

      • Joe, what I actually see is you parsing words, and not actually reading what I wrote. I’ll list:

        – Snowden (specifically unto himself) is likely in collusion with China, and is a problem for the Obama administration, not us. He does have a point, but we’ll never be able to maintain him as a martyr for liberty.
        – We should dump the Snowden conversation as it relates specifically to him. It’s distracting from the underlying issues.
        – We should continue to press on the topics I listed above which include:

        – Benghazi
        – the IRS scandals where they are used as weapons against the opposition to Obama groups
        – the mass dragnet sweep of information collected, and stored against American citizens (think along the lines of 60 million medical records as that is certainly tangible and can lead to changes, or repeals in Obamacare).
        – join and assist the ACLU in it’s lawsuit(s) against the Obama administration for the wiretapping, and data mining. They aren’t wrong about this.

        – sit on our constitutional principles, and keep them first. (if this isn’t clear enough for our readers, it never will be).

        No I apologize for using the blunt hammer Joe, but I feel my offering was pretty clear, and succinct. As far as Snowden, the Obama administration will over play their hand. Just take my last point in mind, and be ready to be opportunistic immediately following that situation’s conclusion.

          • Unless your going to lawyer up for Snowden’s behalf, then we remain on the same side of the moral/philosophical/political fence. Otherwise all you need to do right now is to be patient about Snowden, and question the constitutionality of this administration’s practice.

            Easy enough, right?

            • Augger,

              Yep. But to determine Snowden’s guilt or innocence requires us to investigate the NSA, doesn’t it? But all I hear is Snowden guilty: forget NSA, let’s get back to IRS. My moral compass is balking at that notion.

              • That’s because it’s all you want to hear Joe. I’ve plainly told you to forget Snowden and concentrate on the NSA and others.

                Can’t imagine how you’ve missed that salient point.

                • LOL, Augger, I guess I must be typing in code because I haven’t been defending Snowden. Since my first post on this issue, it has been everyone else saying I have. ALL I have said since the first is that we MUST look into his allegations: take them deadly seriously and investigate. THEN, if we find the NSA is innocent (and I don’t mean following unconstitutional laws, but I mean NOT BLANKET SPYING), hey, by all means, let’s get Snowden. HOWEVER, there has been enough information in the news for years to suggest Snowden is probably correct. But, if we have to ignore that info on the NSA, then by what measure do we trust what we know about the IRS scandal? How are they not equivalent in principle? Same basic sources: the agencies themselves and the media reporting what whistle blowers have said.

                  I don’t know, I guess my buddy, Bill, is right: I need to stop typing and start using video clips because I am not writing in the voice you people are hearing. I am anything but “hysterical.” If anything, I feel a great sense of dread and remorse…

                  • Snowden’s problem isn’t his message, Joe. It’s his method.

                    Think about it. We’ll talk more later.

                  • I think in the end, the three of us want the same thing, so I am not overly concerned about our little debates. But we definitely have a different approach, and each has it’s uses. Joe is like a Sherman tank with his gun locks on. He will blast that target until it is dead … full power.

                    I think you and I size up our opponents a bit … almost roguish, and garrote if given an opportunity. 🙂

                    • Hell, we’ll even put sandbags on, and those new hotdogs laced with bacon in them. 🙂

                    • Wetwork, baby. Up close and personal. I like to see the lights go out. It is the only way to know for sure that the job gets done.

                    • The ONLY way? I saw an Iraqi TC get hit by a main gun round from an M60A1 during desert storm. It went high, right over his hatch just as he tried to bail and hit him in the chest. I was about 1.5 miles away, but I saw the ‘pink mist.” I can assure you, that job got done, baby 🙂

                      The main battle tank: doing more damage in 5 minutes than a whole platoon of grunts can do in an entire day 😀

  3. All governments are a necessary evil created by man. It’s part of our sin nature. We desire to have someone rule over us for whatever reason. We can blame the government when things go bad, look for them to protect us, etc., but as long as we give them free reign over our lives the power they control becomes corrupt because man is a fallen and corrupt.

    The problem, “The Government” has now become to large to remain viable. It is now a parasite on the people, draining more and more life out of it’s host. This is a world wide problem as most countries are in the same state of affairs. Just as cancer won’t kill itself governments will only continue to grow until the host is dead (capitulate and live as as slaves).

    It will be interesting to see what Beck has in store for us but it would not suprise me to see how far the tentacles of tyranny have already reached into setting up the end times world system.

    I know I sound like a broken record, but we had 10 Laws God gave us to live by and man rejected them to live under tens of thousands of laws created by man.

    In reality, if man followed the two below we could have done away with the other 8.

    MARK 12:29-31
    Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
    ‘And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.
    And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

    What great wisdom we all have!

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