The Proper Role Of Government

There is an excellent post over at the American Spectator:

We are often lectured that a major difference between liberals and conservatives is that the former “care” about the common people, while the latter are concerned only for themselves and their own. Many believe that it was this sentiment that doomed Mitt Romney’s presidential chances when a video surfaced where he said:

[T]here are 47 percent…who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.

Now the way this statement played out in the media did indeed contribute to Romney’s defeat, but was he wrong? Are conservatives really deaf to the needs of the poor and disadvantaged? Is it true that they actually ignore the fact that there are many in this country who, through physical or mental disabilities, are unable to provide for themselves and their families? Naturally, the answer to these questions is a resounding “of course not”! But can it be that conservatives believe that the responsibility of caring for these unfortunates lies not with the federal government, but elsewhere? In a word, yes.

It is commendable to have compassion for the poor and to want to help them, but this is not the role of the U.S. government. It would be wonderful if everyone in this country enjoyed the high level of healthcare afforded to the likes of unions and other groups, but it is not the role of government to provide it. I’d like to see each American child educated to his fullest capacity, but this again, is not the role of the federal government. In fact, all these are worthy and vital goals but they do not fall under the authority granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, under which auspices we allegedly continue to operate.

The maintenance of a republic and the individual freedom that it supports is a job for every citizen. We all have an individual duty to educate and improve not only ourselves but our children as well. We have an individual duty to help others and a duty to return that help when it is given. This maintenance takes work and Americans have grown too accustomed to asking  the government to do things for us that we should be doing ourselves.

“The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves in their separate, individual capacities. In all that people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.”

Abraham Lincoln – 1854

30 thoughts on “The Proper Role Of Government

  1. “The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves in their separate, individual capacities. In all that people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.”

    This is pretty socialistic, It is about the collective working to meet the needs of the collective.
    Conservatives like to make collective work, seem like awful alien things that corrupt humans. Blind to the fact that the cause of corruption is the social environment that pressures and encourages accumulation of private property, plus the fact private property exists,.

    Conservatives tell the workers, that collectivism is a horrible corrupting idea that never works. Keeping them out of power and never able to exercise any power as a class.

    Socialist tell workers, that if they are to improve their lives, they must exercise power and the only way the masses are capable of this, is through collectivism.

    • Karl,

      Anyone who looks at a problem and insists there is only 1 way to solve it is a tyrant. YOU, Karl, are a tyrant. It’s your way or the wrong way — period. This is not reality: it is an artificial prison that people like you — who lack the fortitude to actually enforce their own vision — use to try to “talk” people into willingly entering of their own accord.

      The COOPERATIVE is a viable option tot he collective. That is the alternative to your utopia. And understand this: The COOPERATIVE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS THE COLLECTIVE!

      Truth be told, if you were capable of critically thinking for yourself, and you cared about the individual rather than the artificial group, you would see the cooperative is what Marx set as his ideal. Only, he never pursued it because he was — in truth — more concerned with personal power than the good of the individual. That’s why he sees things in terms of class: so he can reduce people to chess pieces which he can then move around and control according to his design. YOU, sir, are a would-be chess master without the intellect to even sit at the table.

      • Sometimes there is only one way to fix things. There is only one reality, and one set of facts that conform to that reality.

        For the majority to advance sometimes people have to sacrifice a little. I know your freedom hater detectors just went off. but, we must recognize that the whims of the individual should stop progress of everyone else.

        Coercion exists in all systems, Even in capitalist system. I don’t go to work because I want to make money for my employer. I go to work because I have to pay the rent, and buy food. Can I start my own business? Not yet. But, doing so would force me to make others make money for me. If I start my own business and I’m the only employee. I will have to produce what the markets deem is profitable, or I won’t be able to pay the rent or buy food.

        This isn’t the why I am against capitalism, I’m just showing you that freedom doesn’t exists or ever will. Men conform to their environments.

        I’m against capitalism because, it devalues my labor and power. I am a worker, the basic unit of a society. Without workers there would be nothing. But, do I get to control my production? No, the market does. The market is an undemocratic institution since the workers do not have direct access on the selling side and one’s power on the buying side is determined by money, which is concentrated undemocratically.

        Conservatives advocate the amorphous totally subjective values of freedom.
        Socialist advocate power.

        I know for a fact it is better to have power than freedom.

        Do I want to be a member of the politburo? No I want to be able to vote and voice my opinions in a real manner on the questions of production. Will I always get my way? No, but I will know me and my comrades using pure human reason (no environmental/economic pressure to accumulate private property). got OUR way.

        • “The market is an undemocratic institution since the workers do not have direct access on the selling side and one’s power on the buying side is determined by money, which is concentrated undemocratically.” How then would you explain stocks?

            • It is determined by the Choices you make in life as well.

              Stock can be accumulated over time …. based on income and money available to you.

              • Men conform to their environment. And the environment and conditions of one’s life are not the same across the world. Some people just had to be born and own more capital than hardworking folk.

                • Anybody can quote from the Little Red Book, Karl.

                  What I said still stands ….. what choices you make and How you spend your time and intellectual energy determine your life….in a FREE Constitutional Republic.

                  The Guy who started DHL , the Guy who started Nike and Steve Jobs / Steve Wozniac are but 4 examples of achievement from no money. And There are countless examples ( in the tens of millions ) of Middle and upper middle-class folks who’ve made a good and prosperous life for themselves. Every single ONE of them Hard-Working Folks.

                  Instead of trying to steal others Hard Work and property …… instead of trying to justify your failures by blaming others….you could have accumulated Chevron stock ( as just one example of many)…… you can do this through a low-cost DRIP. Just since 1999/2000 the original money invested is up over 400% with Dividends reinvested…..with additional continual investing slowly/monthlysince then too, it adds up to quite a pretty penny. There was an opportunity in Yahoo stock to do the same …..from 2002 to 2005 with a 2 for 1 split you could have made over 8 times your investment. Both of these could have been started with very modest money.

                  Choices Karl…..choices.

                  • It is kind of hard to do any of those when you need to bail your mom from jail, fix your truck and pay your wife alimony. Don’t any of you listen to country?

                    it seems the larger point your making is wealth is an indicator of moral superiority, self-restraint, virtue and hard work. Are you not oblivious to the fact that people have to deal with real life, and real life throw you some curveballs or can be an unending series of challenges. Or sometimes you are just born with wealth and all the advantages.

                    Also it seems to be that you suggest it is possible for everyone to be rich, given everyone makes the right choices and has the same circumstances.

                    This is false, if more people started buying stocks the price of stocks would rise and become more inaccessible. Creating wealth for those who bought stocks first and keeping the remaining out of stock ownership.

                    Liberals think the same way also. Liberals think they can solve unemployment and a shrinking middle class by sending everyone to college to become engineers and doctors. But the truth is there can only be as many engineers and doctors as is needed. Just because you get a degree doesn’t mean a job was simultaneously coming into existence for you.

                    This is the problem with your and many people’s thinking. They are blind to the environment and circumstances.

                    • Untrue…….Just more excuses.

                      It can be done for as little as $25…..and with $25 installments if one chooses.

                      I never said rich…..if you notice I said Good and Properous Middle and Upper-Middle class as in Comfortable…..you spend so much time telling yourself and others why What has already happened for millions of people is impossible……. You could start tomorrow Karl.

                    • 25 dollars won’t get you far and like i said and proved this is not a solution for society.

      • Excellently said Joe.

        Karl’s is the Philosophy of the incapable, of the Thug.
        It is the opiate of the Street Mob , wrapping the desire to take what is the fruit of others labor in a false cloak of an ideology. It is the aim of the socialist to paint Theft in the color of legality …. using terms like “social justice” to entice the envious and lazy.

  2. Abraham Lincoln’s statement was blatantly FALSE !

    Here is the quote again:
    The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves in their separate, individual capacities. In all that people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.”

    Abraham Lincoln – 1854

    With this statement, Lincoln showed all for eternity that he had figuratively tossed The Constitution adopted in 1789 in the fire.

  3. Thank you Karl for espousing “Tyrants of the ages” beliefs perfectly.

    “Sometimes there is only one way to fix things. There is only one reality, and one set of facts that conform to that reality. For the majority to advance sometimes people have to sacrifice a little.”

    Lincoln and his Party’s actions, were responsible for the killing and maiming of more Americans, than all the wars since 1863.

    Karl, like all Progressives/Marxists, either does not understand what he writes, or purposely misleads others with this comment:
    “Conservatives advocate the amorphous totally subjective values of freedom.”

    However, Karl is curiously “spot on” with this comment:
    “Socialist advocate power.”

    TYRANTS advocate Americans deserve RULERS who won’t hesitate to order others to sacrifice to their power.

    • since when does democracy equal tyranny? If you think both are the same what do you want? A monarch who strongly believes in individual rights?

      • A Republic !

        Just “rule of law” which applies to every individual the same. Including former slaves and not creating “new slaves” of a fascist government.

        Every individual ensured equal opportunity being allowed to enjoy the fruits of their labor; or made to live with the consequences of not exercising their self worth and doing nothing. (Not equal outcome.)

        A government exercising only those powers assented too; as created by our founding fathers in 1776 and 1789 and 1791.

        A Limited Government serving all the people equally. Not a government making some more equal than others by gracing them with others property by preventing competition or giving them government contracts.

        A Government staying out of the way of excellence and innovation; liberty to choose and create.

        Democracy is tyranny of the majority over the Minority and always ends with a violent death and anarchy.

        • What abuse of the word republic, republic is just another word for state.

          Isn’t law derived from the consent of the governed i.e democracy?

          Or do you want your law enforced even though the majority may not like it, wouldn’t that make you a dictator?

  4. There are slogans and then there is truth. As the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. The progressives have done an excellent job of selling the public on their agenda the way a snake oil salesman works the crowd in a small town. When the president said he was going to “fundamentally transform” America, people didn’t even consider what that meant. His administration has been a process of destroying the country as it is and replacing the destroyed portions with the pieces of the progressive agenda. His biggest enemy isn’t congress or even we the people. It is the 22nd amendment because if he tried to implement the entire agenda in 8 years, everyone would see the truth and the progressives could not deny what was happening. Bush 41 started it, then Clinton, then Bush 43, and now Obama. But the most egregious parts of the progressive agenda are all that is left to push and the people have said that isn’t going to happen. The latest scandals have pulled the blinders off of the Georges from Orwell’s 1984 and everyone is demanding an end to the treason. Even the progressives are acknowledging this by puppeting the protests. The mask has come off of the progressive movement and the pressure needs to ratchet up to turn the treasonous agenda out of office beginning in 2014.

    • Wow ! I just re-read your post OldVet !!

      You got it 100 % ….. Ratchet up the awareness and pressure about the Porgressive Liberal Agenda…….with the goal of the 2014 MidTerms !!!!!

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