The “Science” in the Qur’an and Hadith

This post is not “Muslim bashing,” or “Qur’an bashing;” it is just just telling you what is in the Qur’an and the Hadith.

 

Melfamy has done it AGAIN: more ignorant, foolish assertions that PROVE the man is willfully ignorant and deliberately foolish.  Here is his latest comment:

melfamy Jul 8, 6:46 am

 The Koran is a more historical document than the Bible, which is full of inaccuracies due to its publication by committee.

First, the Bible is the most accurate history book known to man.  Not only has it never been disproven, it has lead archeologists to finds based on information available only in the Bible.  Several times, archeologists have found exactly what the Bible told them they would find, exactly where it said they would find it.  What those detractors of the Bible call “errors” are always attributed to bad translations and total ignorance of the ancient Hebrew language and culture.  The many supposed timeline “mistakes” are one example.  The Hebrews did not count time in a constant linear progression.  They only counted that times when an incident or event was actually occurring, so there are often large chunks of time left out of the reporting.

Another point that must be acknowledged is that the Bible has remained consistent throughout time.   The oldest writings we have found of Hebrew scripture date to more than 3,500 years ago, and they are in perfect agreement with the modern versions of the corresponding scriptures.  We can also piece 99.8% of the Bible back together from the many citations we have in various other letters and documents.  This means the Bible has demonstrated its persistence.  It preserves itself, as we would expect of God’s Word.

At the same time, we cannot say the same about the Qur’an.  The Qur’an was “compiled” by committee some 150-200 years after Muhammad had died.  Even then, Muhammad never wrote a single piece of the Qur’an.  Others had to do that for him as Muhammad was illiterate.  And when others did write down his “visions” from Gabriel, they wrote them on whatever was available – sticks, leaves, scraps of skin, even the bones of animals.  We also know that many of these sayings were lost.  One of Muhammad’s wives reported that a goat ate some of them.  This is why the oldest Qur’ans do not agree with each other.  Their texts are significantly different from each other.  The Bible does not have these problems.

Finally, the Qur’an is full of mistakes.  Melfamy claims it is accurate.  Maybe that is because he didn’t know this is in the Qur’an:

Muhammad said the mountains were created to keep the earth from trembling and falling in on itself:

Qur’an 21:26 “Don’t the unbelievers see that the heavens and earth were joined together in one piece before we clove them asunder? …Will they not believe? And We have set on the earth mountains as stabilizers, lest the earth should convulse without them. And We have made therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. We have made the heaven a roof well guarded. Yet they turn away from its Signs! All (the celestial bodies) swim along, on a course, floating.”

Muhammad said the stars are lamps, and missiles that drive away the devil:

Qur’an 67:3 “We created seven heavens, one above the other. Muhammad, can you see any fault in Ar-Rahman’s creation? Look again: Can you see any rifts or fissures? Then look again and yet again. Your gaze turns back dazed and tired. We have adorned the lowest skies with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive away the devils and against the stone Satans, and for them We have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the most intense Blazing Fire.”

NOTE: who is Ar-Rahman?  I thought we were dealing with ONE god, Allah?  But the Qur’an names two gods: Allah and Ar-Rahman.

Muhammad said the sun and moon ride in chariots:

Qur’an 36:38 “The sun keeps revolving in its orbit at the dispensation of the All-Knowing. And the Moon, We have measured for her mansions till she returns like dried date stalks. It is not permitted for the Sun to overtake the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day. Each (just) swims along, floating in (its own) orbit as a Sign as in a race. And we made similar vessels [chariots] for them to ride. But we could have drowned them if we pleased.”

Muhammad said the sun sets in black, muddy water:

Qur’an 18:83 “They ask you about Dhu’l-Qarnain [Alexander the Great]. Say, ‘I will cite something of his story. We gave him authority in the land and means of accomplishing his goals. So he followed a path until he reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in black, muddy, hot water. Near it he found people.”

A few “science facts” from the Hadith (sayings and customs of Muhammad):

Bukhari:V4B54N430 “Allah’s Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, ‘Regarding the matter of the creation of a human being: humans are put together in the womb of the mother in forty days. Then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period. He becomes a piece of flesh for forty days. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things: the new creature’s deeds, livelihood, date of death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched. He will do whatever is written for him.'”
Tabari I:293 “When Allah cast Adam down from Paradise, Adam’s feet were on earth while his head was in heaven. He became too familiar with the angels and they were in awe of him so much so that they complained to Allah in their various prayers. Allah, therefore, lowered Adam. But Adam missed what he used to hear from the angels and felt lonely. He complained to Allah and was sent to Mecca. On the way every place where he set foot became a village, and the interval between his steps became a desert until he reached Mecca.”
Bukhari:V1B10N510 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘If it is very hot, the severity of the heat is from the raging of the Hell Fire.'”
Ishaq:255 “Jewish rabbis came to the Apostle and asked him to answer four questions saying, ‘If you do so we will follow you, testify to your truth, and believe in you.’ They began, ‘Why does a boy resemble his mother when the semen comes from the father?’ Muhammad replied, ‘Do you not know that a man’s semen is white and thick and a woman’s is yellow and thin? The likeness goes with that which comes to the top.’ ‘Agreed,’ the rabbis proclaimed. ‘Tell us about your sleep.’ ‘Do you not know that a sleep which you allege I do not have is when the eye sleeps but the heart is awake?’ ‘Tell us about what Israel [Jacob] voluntarily forbade himself.’ ‘Do you not know that the food he loved best was the flesh and milk of camels or perhaps two lobes of liver, kidneys, and fat?’ ‘Tell us about the spirit.’ ”Do you not know that it is Gabriel, he who comes to me?’ ‘Agreed,’ the rabbis said. ‘But Muhammad, your spirit is an enemy to us, an angel who comes only with violence and the shedding of blood, and were it not for that we would follow you.”
Tabari I:232 “Gabriel brings to the sun a garment of luminosity from the light of Allah’s Throne according to the measure of the hours of the day. The garment is longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, and of intermediate length in autumn and spring. The sun puts on that garment as one of you here puts on his clothes.”
Tabari I:233 “When the Messenger was asked about that, he replied, ‘When Allah was done with His creation He created two suns from the light of His Throne. His foreknowledge told Him that He would efface one and change it to a moon; so the moon is smaller in size.”
Tabari I:234 “Allah thus sent Gabriel to drag his wing three times over the face of the moon, which at the time was a sun. He effaced its luminosity and left the light in it. This is what Allah means: [in Qur’an 17:12] ‘We have blotted out the sign of the night, and We have made the sign of the day something to see by.’ The blackness you can see as lines on the moon is a trace of the blotting.”

 

The Qur’an also mentions that the sun and moon orbit the earth (in other words, Muhammad held a geo-centric view of the heavens) and that these “orbits” were moved by angels.  Muhammad claims there are only 7 planets.  The Qur’an says the earth and the other planets are flat.  The moon actually creates light.  The sun is not a star.  I mean, seriously, the Qur’an and Hadith are full of these mistakes.  Just go look for them, you’ll find them.

This is why we need to understand history: so we won’t make ignorant conclusions like the one Melfamy has made here.

9 thoughts on “The “Science” in the Qur’an and Hadith

  1. Now I’m getting jealous, Joe. After featuring me in two consecutive posts, you’ve featured Greg in the two since then. It is cool that you’re letting the two of us dictate your agenda (and it may be the only way outside of “Rule 5”) to get one of your post’s numbers to double digits, but I think it’s my turn with the next one. Unless you want to give Karl a couple?

    • And what was that you were whining about my posts over the weekend? Something about me not contributing to the topics, but just handing out insulting rhetoric, or something similar?

      Really didn’t have anything to add to the discussion, did ya McPherson?

      • “Really didn’t have anything to add to the discussion, did ya McPherson?”

        Nope. Didn’t even read most of the post, assuming it would be the usual tedious anti-Islam stuff we’ve come to expect from Joe.

        • Appreciate the honesty, and I expect you’ll be man enough not to bellyache when I do the same moving forward.

          Melfamy may be a hypocrite, but I’d hope you’ve risen above it.

  2. Joe,
    GREAT post. It fits in with these other recent posts as part of a Single body of work which shows islam…IN ITS OWN WORDS….and recent mohameddans by THEIR OWN ACTIONS.

    July 7 Islam: In Muhammedna words
    July 4 JIHAD is not “an Inner struggle”
    July 1 Obama supporting muslim violence
    June 30 Check this out Imam Greg..( by Dusty)

    Perhaps you should link them so readers at TRNL can seamlessly go from one to the other from this Post….it’s quite the weight of evidence to see it all displayed at once.

    Be Prepared for the Gutter responses from the mohammedans and muslim apologists / enablers However. As One prominant / Original Contributer was (1)accused of incest , (2) I was accused of employing Protestutes and Pimps….in response to mentioning by small business, (3) And accused of selling “pussy” ……. Sorry to the women reading here, but these Truely ARE the responses from the posters Joe is addressing……..But that is to be expected since misogyny is a Pillar to islam, as is evidenced daily on a world-wide basis.

    Ye shall know them, know their hearts, by their actions.

    • Case in point from the mohammeddan apologist Melfamy…

      melfamy
      July 6, 2013 at 06:12 Reply
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      My god, you must have a pussy mine, or be one hell of a ditch digger, because, judging solely by your comments in this forum, you are too stupid to make money any other way.

    • The earth is still flat for followers of Islam: no wonder they still live in rock gardens…

      A human being is “a new creature” with no free will:
      “Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things: the new creature’s deeds, livelihood, date of death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched. He will do whatever is written for him.’”

      Looks like the Jews described Islam correctly:
      ‘But Muhammad, your spirit is an enemy to us, an angel who comes only with violence and the shedding of blood, and were it not for that we would follow you.”

      No wonder this religion of peace joined forces with the Nazis in the 1930’s: similar “world view”

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