“Islam has always been a part of America’s history.”

Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said: “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America ‘s history.”

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AN AMERICAN CITIZEN’S RESPONSE

Dear Mr. Obama:

Have you ever seen a Muslim hospital?

Have you heard a Muslim orchestra?

Have you seen a Muslim band march in a parade?

Have you witnessed a Muslim charity?

Have you seen Muslims, shake hands with a Muslim Girl Scout?

Have you seen a Muslim Candy Striper?

Have your seen a Muslim do anything that contributes positively to the American way of life ????

The answer is no, you did not. Just ask yourself WHY ???

Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.

Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.

Can you show me one Muslim signature on the: United States Constitution? Declaration of Independence ? Bill of Rights? Didn’t think so.

Did Muslims fight for this country’s freedom from England ? No.

Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America ? No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery. Your own half-brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as “pug nosed slaves.” Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family’s “rich Islamic heritage,” doesn’t it Mr. Obama?

Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present.

There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

Where were Muslims during this country’s Woman’s Suffrage era? Again, not present. In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture — so much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the ‘ hajib ‘ or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women’s rights, aren’t they ?

Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler.

The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazi’s in killing Jews.

Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren’t flying planes into the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East.

No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news networks that day. Strangely, the very “moderate” Muslims who’s asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day.

And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the “rich heritage” Muslims have here in America …

Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslims.

And now we can add November 5, 2009 – the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major, is a doctor and a psychiatrist, who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan .

That, Mr. Obama is the “Muslim heritage” in America .

P.S. Now, also adding to the Boston Marathon bombings and the London killing and be-heading of a soldier on the street in London !!!

Muslim Heritage, my ass. And if you don’t share this message, you are part of the problem!

76 thoughts on ““Islam has always been a part of America’s history.”

  1. Dusty,

    Obama is correct: this nation does have a Muslim heritage.

    We were at war with them when we were founded and we are STILL at war with them!

    Now, if that isn’t heritage, I don’t know what is 🙂

      • Morocco, a Muslim nation, was the first foreign power to recognize the new country known as the United States of America.

        Egypt, Indonesia, Turkey, Lebanon, Morocco, and other muslim countries have universal suffrage…could someone explain that to Dusty?

        The rest of the statements in this latest anti-muslim bashing by the ignorant are to vague to attack, or way to stupid to respond to, lies, in other words.

        Muslims DIED on 9/11, innocent victims of religious idealists, who care little for any life that does not help them advance their cause. Of course, I am talking about Joe; but he and the taliban do share an unbending belief in dangerous bullshit.

  2. If Islam were to switch places with Christianity today, and it were radical Christians terrorizing the globe, the larger body of Christ wouldn’t sit idly by while Christian terrorists racked up beheading videos on their websites. Just look at how far out of favor and isolated Westboro Baptist Church is with the rest of Christianity. Most don’t even consider Westboro truly Christian. I think a little vocal opposition to radical Islam from the greater majority of Islam would go a long way to ease criticism with the rest of America. Before you step up to defend Islam, ask yourself this: where is is the opposition? Where is the condemnation of Jihad violence? Where are the authorities in Islam, condemning radical Islam? Where is it!?

    • Libercrite,

      They cannot condemn it as Muhammad said it is mandated by Allah. Condemning it would not only make them into apostates, it would likely get them killed by true believers.

      • Greg,

        Once again, tell that to Muhammad:

        Qur’an 2:216
        “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

        And before you start blabbering about how jihad is an inner struggle, explain why Muhammad’s inner struggle gets you martyred (that’s killed, since you live in Rio Linda):

        Qur’an 33:22
        “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”

        I have also showed you where Muhammad commanded that those who oppose these teachings should be killed as apostates. But then, what Muhammad actually said has never stopped you from telling us that Muhammad didn’t say it. I mean, why read the Qur’an, right? And by all means, don’t dare take Muhammad at his word. I mean, if we do that, we get,…why, we get a VIOLENT ISLAM!

        • The point of the moment was whether Muslims condemn the violence or not, and they do, they have, and you refuse to acknowledge it.
          Your interpretation of the Quran is not the final say, but it is the way that the Taliban and al qaeda scum interpret it. Real muslims, say that those groupos are not real muslims, and I tend to agree with them over your supposedly greater knowledge.

          • No, the point is what Muhammad said to do to those who denounce his commands.

            You ALWAYS see things 180 degrees opposite from the truth. This is another case where you fail to see the inversions. The Apostle Paul teaches us that, if a Christian does not act according to Christ’s teachings, we are to go to them. If they do not listen, then we take a brother with us and go again. If they still do not listen, we take two or more brothers. If they refuse to correct themselves after that, we are to put them out of the congregation. Nowhere does Scripture teach us to address their salvation or kill them. This is why most Christians DO speak out against Westborrow (sp???) and why they needn’t fear other Christians for doing so.

            In Islam, the first time you speak out against Muhammad’s teachings, you can be legally killed — and many have been. There is a history of this — starting with Muhammad, himself. What’s more, many of those Muslims you claim speak out have to enter protective custody of a sort, or live underground, in hiding. This is actually why many of them find their way to the U.S. — to flee from those who would kill them. But then, since Muhammad said they can lie for jihad, you also have to look at the sincerity of the denouncements you mention. The Bible does not allow lies and deception in the furtherance of Christ’s teachings.

            Greg, it really is a waste of time for anyone to try to reason with you. You have made up your mind and, no matter how much evidence of the truth is presented, you are determined not to let that truth get past your view of the world.

            • You are impossible to ahve a reasoned discussion with, Joe. The question was asked’Why don’t muslims protest the violence? Well WHY IN THE HELL ASK THE QUESTION, WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO BELIEVE THE ANSWER!
              I suppose the muslim soldier who jumped on a grenade, thus saving the lives of his fellow navy seals, was doing it to further advance the Islamic takeover of the US, is that it? C.mon, Joe, let;s hear you disrespect an American soldier, you hypocritical and evil man. You make Jesus sick

              • Muslims: the majority of the faith — NOT a handful of anecdotal accounts in a sea of some 1.5 Billion + people.

                You see, it is not me who has a problem understanding reason. I knew what this story was trying to say. YOU are the one who was just looking for the slightest little thing you could pick at and then act as though you made a point. You didn’t. You seldom do.

                  • Since I have often admitted my mistakes on this blog and — to the best of my knowledge — you have NEVER done so, I can only assume you just said you have a childish mind.

                    • My take on Jefferson’s keeping slaves, I evolved. Of course, you have trouble remembering inconvenient things.

                      Now, you seem to think that post full of lies is okay, as long as they reflect ‘reality’, as you see it. I guess that is why pointing out the lies is useless, as you are looking at the big picture, right?

                      However, ALL of your post are the same, lies reflecting your opinion of how hings are, which is highly skewed to the wrong, so you are basically indulging in propaganda, designed to reinforce ill-formed opinions, set them in stone.

          • “The point of the moment was whether Muslims condemn the violence or not, and they do, they have, and you refuse to acknowledge it.”————Greg, the Muslim idiot

            If you believe that “Muslims” condemn the violence perpetrated by other Muslims in the name of their God, simply because they say so, you probably also believe that OWEbozo is doing all he can to fix the economy, make all Americans’ lives better and that OWEbozocare will be good for the American people.

        • You just will not admit that you are wrong, will you? One of your idiot acolytes asked why didn’t the muslims speak out against the violence, and I pointed out that they have, but it is never enough for nativistic fearmongering arrogant types such as yourself..

          Your very dodging of the facts show you to be morally and factually bankrupt

          • Greg,

            I’m not wrong. You are trying to point to a few people in a religion of some 1.5 BILLION and then claim you have made a point. You have not. All you have done is added the bastardization of logic to the rest of your rejection of reality.

            IN the case at hand, we were speaking in generalities. So, before you can point to a few dozen instances and claim it is a trend — let alone a significant trend — you have to show that at least a significant percentage of the entire Muslim population is speaking out. Can you point to, say, 10% of Islam rejecting these jihadis??? NO! You can’t. Why? Because they do not exist, and they do not exist for a reason.

            Greg, part of the reason you do not and cannot understand what you’re trying to talk about is because you do not understand faith. While I vehemently disagree with Islam (NOT necessarily individual Muslims), I at least recognize and respect their adherence to their faith. Heck, if Christians had this sort of zeal, Islam wouldn’t be much of an issue in the Western world — if in the world at all. But, as it stands, you are trying to apply your Western secular humanist view of reality to Islam. It doesn’t work. It’s a serious error of equivocation and it is why you do not and will never understand what you think you do.

          • Yes, I will admit that I have seen a FEW Muslims speak out against the violence…………but I have seen thousands or millions celebrate every time the violent Muslims attack innocent Americans.
            And why don’t you answer the questions posed in the original post? Because you can’t truthfully, and still back the Islamic faith.

            • ” . . . .but I have seen thousands or millions celebrate every time the violent Muslims attack innocent Americans.”

              Not in the United States you haven’t, but using the same logic, thousands of Americans celebrate every time a drone strike kills 3 or 4 Muslims in Afghanistan or Iraq.

              • “Not in the United States you haven’t, ”
                Maybe not thousands or millions within our borders, but I have seen reports of many on the Muslim defending lame stream media after 9-11 and after the Islamic angel killed 13 in Ft. Hood.

                “thousands of Americans celebrate every time a drone strike kills 3 or 4 Muslims in Afghanistan or Iraq.”
                I sure can’t remember seeing this on the news…………

        • Indeed…..go tell it to the Tennessee muslims…..Re : my link below.

          Christians and Jews and Unbelievers are FILTH to them………I’m not making it up ….they say so in their own words !

          • My facts are exactly what they say and how they live by their own words and actions. Plus I’ve been to the Middle East, I’ve dealt with these person up close and personal. I’ve been around. Also, I’m not a right winger. I’m a Constitutionalist an hate both criminal parties equally;)

        • colddeadhands,

          Melfamy is the very epitome of a Leftist/Progressive/Liberal. He refuses to even see any truth that doesn’t fit his narrative. You’ll get nowhere with him. He has been successfully indoctrinated and innoculated against any attempt to save him. The Left rejoices over how thuroughly he has bought into their lies.

          But at least you have his number 😉

        • Cold,

          Listen to my post link below….from a Tenn mohameddan….from their cough-cough “holy books”….calling Christians and Jews Filth and saying it was good and proper to Kill them and take their property…..It is worth a listen….from the Horses mouth, from their “koranic authority”.

          Of course there is NO muslim counter-voice to this from the “moderate” muslims.

            • And Joe….with respect to this whole issue of the “GREAT SILENCE OF MUSLIMS ” in regards to mohameddan violence…..

              When that preacher was going to burn a koran…..there was HUGE outcry from Christian Groups and from Secular groups…..The West walks its walk and Talks its Talk.

              Those few dozen or so Brave muslims who do speak out against MURDER whenit happens are threatenened be the muslim community….and the fact is almost ALL MUSLIMS WORDWIDE are silent and thus Condone muslim violence esp towards non-muslims.

              This is such an obvious fact …. as obvious and true as the sky is blue.

            • The Roman Catholic Church blames the Jews for “killing Jesus” even today. Some Roman Catholic leaders deny to this day there was a Holocaust and claim that the Jews scheme for world domination as planned in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is considered required reading to be able to understand the Jewish plots.

              • FC,

                You are making MY point, not the point you THINK you are making. Does the BIBLE advocate hatred of the Jews? Does the BIBLE tell us we have to read these other things to be Jews or Christians? NO!

                Your objection is nothing more than an attempt to obfuscate the real issue: WHAT THE QUR’AN ACTUALLY SAYS!

          • FC,

            Re-blogged? Yes. Contribute meaningfully to the general discussion? Doubtful. But “No Fact?” In this case — AT BEST — this post is a matter of opinion as there is plenty to support the general theme (that Islam has not been much of a positive voice in America’s heritage).

            Now, does this mean Muslims have made NO contributions? NO! But it is factually inaccurate to imply that they have been anything more than a sidebar in U.S. history. In fact, until recent times, the most significant contribution Islam has played in U.S. history was the Barberry Wars.

            Now, that said, I’ll agree with you on this (Dusty, HEAR ME NOW):

            Posts like this — where there is little or no support for the argument being made — do not serve to further the national discourse and, SPEAKING ONLY FOR MYSELF — I DO think they serve to make matters worse rather than better. Again, IN MY OPINION, they also degrade the value of this blog.

              • FC,

                NOT what I am addressing. I’ve granted you that this post does not help things, but it is not a “lie” either. The point is that Muslims have not made significant contributions to the heritage of America. The questions in the post — though POSSIBLY bigoted — do point to things that most groups we would think of as being part of that heritage have done and can be connected with. In this sense, this post is an editorial, and that makes it an opinion piece. It does not say there are NO Muslim hospitals, bands, etc. It asks have you seen them. Unless you can name a couple of each example right off the top of your head, whether we like it or not, the piece makes its point.

                  • FC,

                    Can you point to a Muslim hospital in America before the 1970’s? A famous band? Pictures of Muslims in a parade? A picture of a Muslim shaking a Girl Scouts hand — again, BEFORE the 1970’s?

                    Until you do that, you can’t say the post is based on lies. All you can do is assert your opinion that it is and express your disapproval. To do otherwise is to become a hypocrite on this issue because you are actually doing what you claim Dusty’s post does.

                    • Now all of a sudden its “before the 1970s”. 9-11 didn’t happen before the ’70s. Boston Marathon didn’t happen before the ’70s. You want a Muslim orchestra? Here’s one for you – Bassam Saba and the New York Arabic Orchestra. Muslims in a parade? That’s just stupid. If you see a black Boy Scout, trumpet player, or National Guard flag-bearer, in a parade there’s a good chance he’s a Muslim. A Muslim candy striper? Again, just plain stupid. There are Muslim doctors and nurses in all of our hospitals these days. Muslims in the Civil War? Yes there was. Look it up. I already have and have posted it here before. There was a company of them fighting for the Union. Muslims in the Revolutionary War? Yep, they were there fighting for the Colonies. Muslim Girl Scouts? I’m sure they exist but I’m not in the habit of walking up to a Girl Scout troop and questioning their religious beliefs. This is still America, after all. Muslims positively contributing to the American way of life?? Sure there are – there are hundreds of thousands of WORKING, TAXPAYING MUSLIMs in America. Muslims in the Civil Rights Movement? Damn, Dusty forgot Malcom X pretty quickly didn’t he?

                      Don’t try to back Dusty’s stupid post.

                    • FC,

                      OK, you win. We will all hale the contribution of Islam to our American heritage.

                      Now, will you ALSO join in extorting the virtues and contribution to our heritage of Buddhism? And Taoism? And Hinduism? I mean, they have been HUGE in shaping this nation and our culture, so why short-shift them?

                    • FC,
                      For every picture you can show of Muslims showing respect for the American flag, I can show you dozens of them burning the American flag.

                    • I’m sure you can – pictures of Muslims in the middle-east burning the US flag. Perhaps our drone strikes that have killed an estimated 2,021 and 3,549 (As of 8 June 2013) has something to do with that don’t you think? Still, your post addressed Muslims in the US and I can show you more pictures of hippies and American hate groups burning the American flag than you can show me of US Muslims doing the same.

                    • “I can show you more pictures of hippies and American hate groups burning the American flag than you can show me of US Muslims doing the same.”

                      Well, then maybe you can share some news stories about hippies hijacking airliners and flying them into buildings and killing thousands of innocent Americans in honor of their God……………….

                    • So you blame American Muslims for the actions of 6 non-citizen Egyptians? Seems to be the case. Maybe that’s why middle-eastern Muslims hate Americans (in general), because we American citizens are responsible for our government official’s drone war.

                    • No, what is readily apparent is that you want to defend a false narrative based on PC assertions that are contrary to objective reality. Unless the Ft Hood Terrorist was a “foreigner???” Or any number of other Muslim attacks on Americans, both those we were told were connected to Islam and those where the truth was held from us. And then there is the link Don keep trying to get you to watch, CAIR’s activities in this nation (or did the FBI lie when they said CAIR is supporting Islamic terrorism?). I could go on, but what’s the use: you will not face reality.

                    • Yeah, I could go on but you are an Islamaphobic and won’t listen. Works both ways, right? The Ft. Hood shooter should be lined up in front a firing squad made up of all branches of the military and shot, but he’s useful to try to make your point, whatever it is.

                    • No, it doesn’t. Calling me an Islamaphobe after I have quoted the Qur’an and backed it up with so many historical reasons to be cautious of Islam is nothing more than calling Zimmerman a racist: it is ONLY intended as a hammer with which to beat your opponent into silent submission.

                      Now telling me the Ft Hood TERRORIST is just a shooter actually makes my point — and Dusty’s. It is a denial of what that man said he did, and he knows better than you or I what he intended. So the difference is YOU want to change what he said to fit YOUR narrative and I simply accept him at his word. If there is an Islamaphobe here, I would say it is you: you are too afraid to admit what Islam represents.

                    • And I guess the “Boston bomber” was only kidding when he said he was only following the teachings of Islam………………..

                    • I never said the Ft. Hood shooter was a “terrorist”. Where did you read that? As for the Boston Bomber(s), they are Islamic terrorist by definition and also should be shot, but still, and you both keep trying to run and hide from this, Dusty’s post (and your responses) indicate that you hold all American Muslims responsible for the actions of these few. Too bad, you’re WRONG! 🙂

        • Ever hear of the Palestinian regiment? Arabs and jews served in the British army, in separate regiments. in the Holy Land and in Italy.

          3300 Indian Merchant mariners died due to submarine attacks, the vast majority of them were muslim.

  3. All true! Those that doubt these posts should read: “Two Faces of Islam” by Stephen Schwartz and “The Crisis of Islam” by Bernard Lewis.

    When The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, dressed in women’s clothing, fled Palestine to escape the British, he was treated as Royalty in Berlin by Hitler until the British started bombing the city. The Grand Mufti was a principal advisor and was in total agreement with Himmler’s solution to exterminate the Jews.
    EdwardS

    • Germany and Italy were christian nations, and they did far more to persecute Jews than any mufti, grand or otherwise. Christian America slaughtered our native population, Christians slaughtered the inhabitants of two refugee camps in Lebanon, under the watchful eye of Ariel Sharon. No religion has clean hands, but what do you expect from institutions based on mythological bullshit?
      Until all you superstitious fools come to realize that God is as real as the easter bunny, there will be mass murders in the name of peaceful, loving gods who have more in common with Charles Manson than Mother Teresa.

  4. “Germany and Italy were christian nations”

    Christian nations who were hijacked and held hostage by Italian fascism and German National Socialism. Mussolini loathed Christianity. Hitler loathed Christianity. The Third Reich had a plan for Christians after they disposed of the Jews. Why doesn’t that outrage you?

    “Christian America slaughtered our native population, Christians slaughtered the inhabitants of two refugee camps in Lebanon, under the watchful eye of Ariel Sharon.”

    It was also Christians who abolished slavery in England and the United States so what of that?

    “Until all you superstitious fools come to realize that God is as real as the easter bunny, there will be mass murders in the name of peaceful, loving gods who have more in common with Charles Manson than Mother Teresa.”

    With talk like that, you’re no better than those mass murderers either, which is why nobody actually takes anything you say seriously.

  5. To address Dusty’s post specifically; that’s the worst bunch of half-truths, innuendo, and general bullshit I’ve ever read. It is willfully misleading, non-factual, and woefully ignores the positive contributions of peaceful Muslims living in the country. As for “colddeadhands”, Melfamy is right on. If you reblog this crap without any investigation, you are a fool.

    • Did you listen to the Link I posted from an “american mohameddan” ? In his own words and their supposed “holy books”.

  6. The point of this post, and my view on this topic, is that OWEbozo was WRONG when he said: “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America ‘s history.” That is unless he was inferring a NEGATIVE part, which I’m sure he wasn’t.
    I am searching hard for a POSITIVE side of Islam’s role in American history……………… maybe the overwhelming number of Muslims in the Detroit area is a part of the city’s decline. Surely hasn’t been shown to be positive for Detroit to have such a huge percentage of it’s inhabitants (can’t really say citizens) being Muslims.

  7. As far as using this to prove how little muslims care about civil rights and women’s suffrage. I did a little research, you morons ought to try it sometime. In the civil rights era, the muslim population of the US was less than 1 million.
    15,000 muslims served in the us military during ww2, and many more fought with the French underground against the Nazis.
    Dusty, you are the stupidest person in a room full of stupid people. You have no idea How to do research, don’t bother.
    However, not citing sources seems to be the mode in here, so neither will I.

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