…is that we don’t talk about Black Racism Club.
I’m going to borrow a very good question from commenter “melfamy” on a prior post that serves to sum up my angst and introduce what comes after:
Joking aside, in what way does advocating for the stampeding of George Bush to death advance Colored People?
I think he asks this in rhetorical form because it is pretty obvious – the answer is “nothing”.
I personally have been called a racist and a bigot many times. I chronicled the first time that it happened in my public blogging/commenting career here. The thing about a charge like this is that it depends on what the meaning of racism really is. Today, it means almost anything that is politically expedient for a liberal. John Hawkins has a great post at TownHall on this called “11 Liberal Rules for Racism in America” that outlines exactly what the term “racism” means to the left. I would propose Rule 12, the Undue Process Prejudice and Immediate Presumption of Guilt Rule, which states:
- Rule 12: When any white non-liberal is engaged in any conflict or opposition to a black person/group (or any liberal minority person or group for that matter), the white non-liberal must immediately be judged at fault solely on the basis of the fact that they are a white non-liberal.
Courtesy of U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-St. Louis and Missouri Rep. Steve Webb, D-Florissant (both are black), we get perfect examples:
U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-St. Louis, said he was “amazed that in 2013 such hatred, intolerance and disrespect towards the President of the United States could take place at the Missouri State Fair.”
“Our fair is supposed to showcase the best of Missouri, instead, it showed an ugly face of intolerance and ignorance to the world,” Clay added.
Missouri Rep. Steve Webb, D-Florissant, said he was “incensed” by the incident.
“Sometimes apologies just won’t do. While I do not believe this represents all of rural Missouri, the racial undertones of a taunted rodeo clown dressed as our nation’s first black president is what the nation woke up to this morning,” Webb said. “It’s time for all of us, from both rural and urban areas, to fight this type of sentiment with a united front. Leaders of this state need to do more than accept a pressured apology.”
Because in the mind of a true racist, there can be no other reason for a rodeo clown to mock Obama than the fact that his skin is black (see Hawkins’ Rule 10). No other reason, rationale or evidence to the contrary is to be considered and even if the evidence to the contrary is obvious or if ever determined to be, the white non-liberal can never be completely exonerated because we all know that white non-liberals are always racist as if racism is a genetic condition like multiple sclerosis, Crohn’s disease or having green eyes.
With respect to the charges of racism where racism does not exist, in my post that I linked to above, I wrote:
Illegitimate and general charges of “racism” are such a difficult thing to counter because the person or group who has it leveled against them is faced with a classic logic difficulty. It is called “disproving a negative”. How do you prove something that didn’t happen (a lot like jobs “saved or created”)? It simply can’t be proven – it has to be assumed from other facts that are available or conditions that are visible, judging a situation by the premises that surround it. This is called conclusion by inference. When inference enters the picture, we leave the realm of fact and enter the realm of perception and opinion. Inferences can be prone to error for the basic fact that premises have to be interpreted. Interpretations are subject to personal filters.
Unless the act is clear and evident (in which case there is no argument), a charge of racism is one that can be leveled immediately but can rarely be answered with the corresponding immediacy – the only effective defense must be based of observation of behavior spanning a long period of time. While an unfounded charge is discrete and finite; the refutation is far more general and infinite.
It is easy to make a casual accusation. Proving that it doesn’t exist is far more difficult. It is like the old logic trap of “so tell me sir, when exactly DID you stop beating your wife?” There is no way to answer it without appearing guilty and even the refusal to answer can result in inference of an answer. This type of question is patently unfair and this is why questions like this, questions without foundation, are not allowed in a court of law. They create the presumption of guilt without a factual basis.
It is a specious, damaging and damnable charge when it is leveled without foundation. When it is real, it should be dealt with immediately and without mercy. It is poison in America. The most dangerous aspect is that when the term racism is overused beyond its true definition and it becomes synonymous with “politics that I don’t like”, it loses meaning and its effectiveness in describing a heinous activity. For these reasons, the same rules that apply to establishing a foundation of fact in court should be applied to charges of racism.
The accusers will seldom use this standard but the readers and listeners certainly should.
There is an immediate reaction these days to anything that varies a fraction of a degree from Obama’s policies. Just last week, Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said:
My counterpart, Mitch McConnell, said at the the beginning of the presidency of Barack Obama that he had one goal – and that is to defeat Obama and make sure he wasn’t re-elected. And that’s how they legislate in the Senate. It was really bad.
And we’re now seven months into this second term of the president’s and they haven’t changed much. It’s been obvious that they’re doing everything they can to make him fail. And I hope, I hope – and I say this seriously – I hope that’s based on substance and not the fact that he’s African-American.
First, just which member of an opposition party doesn’t want to see the incumbent president and his policies defeated? Is it common for an opposition party to work to support policies that they disagree with? I think not. I sure as hell don’t remember Reid or Nancy Pelosi working shoulder to shoulder with Bush on very much during his terms. As a matter of fact, I remember this:
Still, Reid said he has “no regret” over calling former Fed Chief Alan Greenspan a “political hack” — “because he was.”
“The things you heard me say about George Bush? You never heard me apologize about any of them. Because he was. What was I supposed to say? I called him a liar twice. Because he lied to me twice.”
And this gem from the Congressional Black Caucus in 2004:
Members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) yesterday accused the Bush administration of deliberately exacerbating the violence in Haiti to hasten the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
They charged that the White House misled lawmakers about its intentions as it undermined Aristide — who was restored to power in 1994 by the Clinton administration following a coup — and forced him to flee to the Central African Republic.
Black lawmakers said the White House must prove that Aristide was not kidnapped.
They demanded conclusive evidence that the Haitian leader — whose 2000 election victory was internationally condemned as fraudulent — was not forced out at gunpoint.
“What makes this not a coup?” Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) asked at the United Nations after meetings with Secretary General Kofi Annan and U.S. Ambassador John D. Negroponte.
Rep. Major Owens (D-N.Y.) added: “We are very troubled that this [Aristide’s ouster] was a terrorist takeover.”
The point is Harry Reid, a liberal white man, was able to call the sitting President of the United States a loser (which he eventually retracted) and lair and one call of his appointees a “hack” – and the Congressional Black Caucus could make outlandish charges against Bush – and neither was accused of racism.
I oppose Obama for the exact same reasons as I did Democrats Clinton and Carter before him – and I opposed certain “progressive” programs of Republicans George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush as well.
These are dangerous times. The cry of racism is being used to suppress First Amendment rights and has become the equivalent of charges of treason to the left.
Shut up, whitey, because…racism.
This isn’t an indictment of individual blacks – but as a black person, you must know that these people – black establishment members and liberal whites – are speaking for you. When this much attention can be generated to a rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask in a performance while past history racism on the left is ignored, the black establishment risks the hardening of opposition to them and their wishes. The sad thing is that they are only being used by liberals to achieve a political goal. The Democrat establishment cares nothing about them except that today, they can use them as shock troops and cannon fodder on the front lines.
The Rio Norte Line 
This is why i say we should never elect a black person, a female, or a person of ANY minority, because if we do so we are stuck with them regardless of how poor of a job they do or how criminal they are in their actions. It doesn’t matter how badly they destroy America, saying anything about it is merely racism, period. I need only use OWEbozo as my example.
Dusty – I agree, to a point.
This is one thing that I meant to point out – people aren’t stupid. They may not want to put BHO in a live ejection seat, but I do think you are right. The funny thing is that it will be a subtle form of racism or sexism that was created by the people who are hurt by it the most…but there is hope. You don’t see conservative black politicians relying on race. I think Tim Scott in South Carolina is doing some smart things. I’d bet he will be the first black governor of South Carolina if he decides to run in a few years.
I agree…….. there definitely are some blacks, females, and members of minority groups that would NOT play the race card or sexism card if one of their members was accused of doing something wrong. HOWEVER, they are a very small minority of that group. It is like my ongoing argument with greg, There are some Muslims that will stand up and admit that the Muslim terrorists are actually terrorists and need to be dealt with as such, but they are a very small minority of the Muslims.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
“The funny thing is that it will be a subtle form of racism or sexism that was created by the people who are hurt by it the most…but there is hope.”
I just didn’t get it. Sounded more like you were trying to head off contempt for an asinine comment. Could you please expound?
Dusty, beware of unintended consequences. You are fast becoming a member of a minority group, don’t disenfranchise us!
I wouldn’t have agreed with you Dusty….until this “Experiment” with Obama.
Part of the Problem is that it has become apparent that Obama was elected for racist reasons……by Blacks, Whites and Hispanics and even asians.
I suspect as many voted against him, because of race, as those who voted for him for the same reason.
Of course you would…..ignoring the fact that he WAS elected in 2008.
Your comment,How is it you put it ?? ……….”Assumes facts not in evidence”
“Your comment,How is it you put it ?? ……….”Assumes facts not in evidence””
Perfection. 🙂
“This is why i say we should never elect a black person, a female, or a person of ANY minority, because if we do so we are stuck with them regardless of how poor of a job they do or how criminal they are in their actions. It doesn’t matter how badly they destroy America, saying anything about it is merely racism, period. I need only use OWEbozo as my example.”
“I suspect as many voted against him, because of race, as those who voted for him for the same reason.”
I hate to go all Joe B. on you, but do you actually find the two statements comparable?
It wasn’t a comparison of statements I was responding too, but rather your little “Assumes facts not in evidence” dig. Sucks when it is fed back to you, huh? 🙂
That’s what happens I suppose, when everyone starts making abstract statements though. Obama did win, Steve, but he did not win just on the minority vote … as Mr. Gates has pointed out elsewhere.
Not really. The mere suggestion that something may or may not be true assumes nothing.
You are seriously going to attempt to dodge the point by attempting to set up a priori and a posteriori argument?
(shakes head)
You are more then welcome to waste another person’s time by talking out of both corners of your mouth, but it’s not my specialty to diagnose and treat Chronic Angular Cheilitis, so you will need to find another stooge.
Sorry. Missing your point about 2008… and:
“This is why i say we should never elect a black person, a female, or a person of ANY minority, because if we do so we are stuck with them regardless of how poor of a job they do or how criminal they are in their actions. It doesn’t matter how badly they destroy America, saying anything about it is merely racism, period. I need only use OWEbozo as my example.”
“I suspect as many voted against him, because of race, as those who voted for him for the same reason.”
I hate to go all Joe B. on you, but do you actually find the two statements comparable?
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Racism is prejudice acted upon by one in power*, or used to be. That is why blacks could never be racist, no way.
There was a recent charge of racism leveled at the Obama administration over a program aimed at improving the academic record of blacks, targeting them for black-oriented tutoring, and less emphasis on disciplnary measures. I agree, this qualifies as racism; those in power giving special treatment to a group.
Now, I’m all for education, even targeting students who do poorly for special assistance. But why do it along racial lines? Can’t a poor white kid have a sad backstory? Help the kid, don’t shoehorn him. Giving assistance to a youth because of his ethnicity is telling him that his ethnicity is the problem!
Nowadays Bill O’Reilly is called a racist for his statements(very stupid ones, at that) about the eating habits of blacks. That isn’t racism, that is just ignorance writ large.
Eric Holder says he was profiled once since he has been Attorney General, a cop stopped him when he was walking to a theater, asked him his business, in his own neighborhood! The policeman abused his power in service of his own prejudice. that is racism, and of the sort that is so pervasive that whites don’t often get it, and blacks come to expect.
Oprah’s purse brouhaha was not racism, and she did have the class to admit her error.
*This may not be the classic definition of racism, but it is how I see it.
BTW, in the past, I have characterized Utah as racist, when I should have used different terms, and I don’t believe his prejudice, as I saw it, was malicious, my apologies.
5 thumbs down…REALLY?
Stereotyping is not racism, nor are blanket statements.
“BTW, in the past, I have characterized Utah as racist, when I should have used different terms, and I don’t believe his prejudice, as I saw it, was malicious, my apologies.”
Who ever thumbed this down, might as well as go ahead and thumb my response as well (though I would challenge you to speak up and state why) ….
Takes a helluva man to admit he was wrong. And Greg, I don’t think I find a prejudice in Utah’s posts for the record. I went back and re-read some of his offerings to see if he was just offering bombastic aversions for the sake of rhetoric, but I could not make that distinction either.
Though written to appear as if a parti pris existed, I believe he is simply attempting to make points and observations to stimulate a deeper conversation.
Just saying.
There was a specific post , Augger, and I called him on an assumption about blacks and crime levels. He had it wrong, but Jesse Jackson could have made the same error, and it was more me playing ‘Gotcha!’ than proof of malicious intent on Utah’s part.
I just admitted to making an error of the sort that causes cringing when recalled. I guess it’s true; we get angriest at others for the things that we are most guilty of.doing ourselves.
Going to find some sackcloth and ashes now, later.
I truly appreciate the sentiments. I hope I am not guilty of prejudice – meaning to pre-judge – I try not to be, but like all people I do have opinions constructed on a certain point of view.
I am guilty of discrimination in the sense that to discriminate is to see the difference between on thing and another.
We were docking a barge at a facility one time, and I jumped on the dock, hoping to find someone in charge, who could tell us where to position the barge
There were two guys on the dock, a black guy and a white guy. The whte guy had on a white hard hat, and was dressed for a day of labor. The black guy had on a blue hard hat, nice clean clothes, a clipboard in his hand.
I went straight to the white guy and asked about the barge, and he says, “Ask him, he’s the boss.” I was so embarrassed, it was painfully obvious that I had ignored every sign, and had chosen by color who to talk to.
“There was a recent charge of racism leveled at the Obama administration over a program aimed at improving the academic record of blacks, targeting them for black-oriented tutoring, and less emphasis on disciplinary measures. I agree, this qualifies as racism; those in power giving special treatment to a group.”
—That is correct. It’s called institutional racism.
“Nowadays Bill O’Reilly is called a racist for his statements(very stupid ones, at that) about the eating habits of blacks. That isn’t racism, that is just ignorance writ large.”
—He’s just out of touch or trying to hype his show. Probably the latter I would think.
“Eric Holder says he was profiled once since he has been Attorney General, a cop stopped him when he was walking to a theater, asked him his business, in his own neighborhood! The policeman abused his power in service of his own prejudice. that is racism, and of the sort that is so pervasive that whites don’t often get it, and blacks come to expect.”
–This would be more profiling than racism. The reason I say that is because many cops abuse their power, then a lot of times but not always, blacks automatically think they did because they were black which often isn’t the case.
I was approached by a cop as I was walking into my building one day. He simply asked me if I was just getting home as he saw me walking from my car. I said yes. He explained that he got a call about a black guy in a blue shirt beating on a women’s door trying to get in. Guess what, I was a black guy wearing a blue shirt! He never stopped me, put me in cuffs, or anything. Come to find out later it was a neighbor on a floor above me that called. A guy was visiting friends and they were getting drunk. He walked out then came back in but to the wrong apt. No harm. No foul but she was understandably scared.
I finally got her to laugh about it but every time she saw me for a couple of months she was apologizing for doing nothing wrong (of course I exaggerated the story saying the cop did all those things I mentioned above). She’s single with 2 young daughters and said the guy was a pretty big guy.
Hell, why are people so sensitive these days? Is it about suing and trying to get a quick dollar? This older guy from TN the first night he met me called me a good ol colored fella just like a friend he has back home. So what? I like being a good ol colored fella. Nothing about that is racist like some would scream in an instant. That guy was instantly showing me respect. If he was racist he never would have shaken my hand.
Everyone has their prejudices and biases. Blacks and whites are racists. Most people scream racism when there is none. Rodeo clown Obama is not racist. Oprah’s purse is not racist. It could have been prejudiced but then there would have to be a pattern and you’d have to know what’s in the person’s heart. If 10 black women came in and that happened and 10 white women were shown the purse that could have been prejudice. Probably not racism. The sales woman could have just been saying there are cheaper purses with the same quality.
“This is why i say we should never elect a black person, a female, or a person of ANY minority, because if we do so we are stuck with them regardless of how poor of a job they do or how criminal they are in their actions.”
—You’ve pretty much painted yourself in a corner with that one, Dusty, even with the disclaimer. If you wanted to give AL or Jesse or the average person any ammo to shoot at you with, you’re pretty much succeeded with that statement.
I am the second thumbs up with no thumbs down. What is one to make of that? 🙂
“Eric Holder says he was profiled once since he has been Attorney General, a cop stopped him when he was walking to a theater, asked him his business, in his own neighborhood! The policeman abused his power in service of his own prejudice. that is racism, and of the sort that is so pervasive that whites don’t often get it, and blacks come to expect.”
“This would be more profiling than racism. The reason I say that is because many cops abuse their power, then a lot of times but not always, blacks automatically think they did because they were black which often isn’t the case.”
The key words might be “in his own neighborhood”. Profiling on race appears to me to be racist.
Profiling is a useful tool for law enforcement.
Some think the difference is so subtle that it may be ignored, but profiling in order to solve a crime is not comparable to profiling when no crime has been committed. Law enforcement should be doing exactly that, enforcing the law. IMO, crime prevention should not include police stopping innocent people in order to inquire into their business.
Where I live, we know people in law enforcement and they know their neighborhoods. If they see someone in the area acting suspicious, it’s only natural to ask therm what their business is.
Nothing wrong with that, as stated.
I just returned from a trip to England. While there, I spent a couple of days in London. Early Saturday morning, there was no one on the street except cops entering car license plate numbers into their palm pads for those who had overextended their parking and people cleaning up the mess left from the night before. I spoke to a cleaning guy and lamented the fact that were so few rubbish bins on the street. I related that a friend told me it was because the Irish liked to place bombs in them. In what I thought was an Irish accent he calmly replied that, these days, the bombs were not likely to be set by the Irish. I bowed out of the conversation, not wishing to make matters worse.
But should they stop everyone appearing to be “muslim” and frisk them for IEDs?
Steve, taking a polemic angle on this discussion does not give you automatic rights to the moral high-ground. One cannot underestimate the value of conditioning, and conditioned responses. I am sure you believe that middle aged to geriatric black men and women have a right to view whites with trepidation based on their experiences prior to, and during the civil rights movement … and beyond. And you know what, you would be correct. We are what our histories have made us, to a point, and negative histories leave long lasting issues. But yet you are going to sit here and begrudge the English their conditioned responses?
It’s like saying that the Jewish have nothing to fear from Muslims, and are assholes for fearing them.
Stick to apologetic arguments Steve. You are better at those.
“The key words might be “in his own neighborhood”. Profiling on race appears to me to be racist.”
That’s not true, Steve, and I’ll tell you way. Profiling is descriptive. Maybe the cop wasn’t from Holder’s neighborhood. Maybe he had a BOLO for a middle-aged black male. Truthfully, very few black males Holder’s age, and the way he looks and dresses, get’s profiled. So what if he was inconvenienced for a couple of minutes? Why didn’t he just pull out his AG badge and identification?
Holder WALKING to a theater? A theater in his neighborhood? Something about that doesn’t sound right to me.
Agreed, wm. Holder (and/or) his family walking into a theater in his neighborhood? Sounds fishy to me. Holder has his own security detail which has (infamously) “protected” him from many protesters.
What a truly sad state of affairs in this country, when walking to a neighborhood business is considered suspicious behavior. Remember,, this was Before he was in his current position
I didn’t think of that. Assuming people always tell the truth, unless proven otherwise, is a pitfall. He may have embellished (or omitted details) or made the story up. Additional details may lead to a different conclusion. However, even with the amount of progress to date, I’m sure all the bad apples have not been rooted out.
I have been privy to enough “racism” or racist attitudes to know it is not totally a thing of the past. It will only disappear when people stop passing it onto successive generations, and those who inappropriately play the race card slow down the process. That type of behavior tends to create a different form of “defensive racism”.
Just as some accused me of suffering from “white guilt”, because I tried to point out what I believe many missed in the Zimmerman/Martin case ( http://www.newsherald.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/nation-can-t-move-on-and-forget-martin-tragedy-1.180983), many blacks appear to still suffer from an oppression complex. Guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have made a living out of reinforcing it. I have always cut Jesse some slack, because he was at the Lorraine Motel with MLK, but Sharpton has always left a bad taste in my mouth.
I agree with that, Steve.
As far as Jesse is concerned, he makes a living at that. A very good one, toot. Yeah, Jesse was there—But down on the ground, not on the balcony as he claimed. He wasn’t holding Dr King, he wasn’t that good of friends with him. Ralph Abernathy was. Even then, Jesse was trying to claim all the attention. Although all of the guys swore not to talk to the media about what happened, until they knew all of the facts, who was out there giving interviews? Jesse. Who went of the hospital with Dr King? Not Jesse. He was still at the Lorraine giving interviews. Lying about holding him in his arms and being on the balcony. Wiping blood on his shirt for show.
Anyone that knows about Jesse, and blacks that lived during those times and taught their kids history, should have no respect for Jesse. He used Dr King’s death to try to advance himself and that’s a shame. I have no respect for that guy whatsoever.
Al is just Al. A loudmouth that should be ignored but instead networks keep giving him a platform to scream more of his nonsense on.
Without googling it, I thought it was Ralph Abernathy up close and personal and Andrew Young (and others) in the background. We both agree that Jesse is an opportunist, but my point was that he was a part of it, and he reacted in his own way. I liken it to when a hugely popular rock band breaks up and the members go their separate ways. Some lead quiet lives, but there is one who cannot live without constantly being associated with, and promoting, their past glory.
You are correct.
Mr Gates, you are absolutely correct. Mr Hough, you too … and that’s been my point all along.
No one’s hands are clean in this, and there never has been, nor will there ever be, a person who is correct when they are practicing the “business of racism”. Racism for monetary gain is just plain evil.
Don’t know and don’t care about the Oprah purse incident LOL, but right on the rest.
Cannot attack Bill O’Reilly, because I don’t know him (other than he takes the paycheck), but the media source responsible for that type of broadcasting is at fault.
“This is why i say we should never elect a black person, a female, or a person of ANY minority, because if we do so we are stuck with them regardless of how poor of a job they do or how criminal they are in their actions.”
—You’ve pretty much painted yourself in a corner with that one, Dusty, even with the disclaimer. If you wanted to give AL or Jesse or the average person any ammo to shoot at you with, you’re pretty much succeeded with that statement.
William,
OWEbozo is the most corrupt, criminal, ignorant and nearly any other negative descriptive word I could find POTUS of my adult lifetime (since Nixon). And yet there will NEVER be any actual attempt to hold him responsible for his actions, because of only one reason………… he is black, and to do so would be considered racist..
“William,
OWEbozo is the most corrupt, criminal, ignorant and nearly any other negative descriptive word I could find POTUS of my adult lifetime (since Nixon). And yet there will NEVER be any actual attempt to hold him responsible for his actions, because of only one reason………… he is black, and to do so would be considered racist..”
I can agree with part of that. A portion of society would feel that way regardless. Hell, we all know black people that are just looking for a reason to act a fool, those that don’t even vote or give a damn about the way things are done will go out in the streets and start tearing shit up.
This is where I disagree—On the other hand those that you align with, those that are silent are doing so because they want those same protections and they want that power. They know that they have and will do the same things and the shoe will just be on the other foot. They’re the other side of that same coin. Maybe, just maybe, some of them are involved also. So I feel there is more that just one reason, but I agree that the first one carries a lot of weight. And believe me blacks, gays, and any of his other radical supporters will be in the streets acting a damn fool.
You know Dusty, at some point, you only have to worry about a person’s opinion if you respect them. So if you don’t respect a person that is yelling racism, what they’re saying shouldn’t matter. It’s just crying wolf. If a person wants to call me racist, and I have been called that recently, then so be it. I know the truth. Deep down, they do too. They just had no answers for my questions so they used that as a stone to throw at me. The biggest one they could find. The next bigger one would be to call me a nigger. Been called that before, too. Again, the person just wanted to hurt me. Didn’t work though. I’m better than that.
I know a guy that doesn’t believe in race mixing—even dating outside of one’s race. Doesn’t bother me, nor does it makes him racist. But I guarantee you ask 10 people of the opposite race and at least 7 would say that’s racist. But it isn’t.
Until and only until the shot callers, e.g., the CEO’s, the Politicians, the heads of families stop being held hostage by the threat of being considered racist, will these issues cease. Until then, things will stay the same. Is some of Obama’s criticism coming from racist people? Probably. But I would consider them the fringes. Not the majority. I can say that because I’ve heard it. But it’s seldom. Are all blacks Obama supporters? Absolutely not. Remember Jesse Jackson wanted to cut his nuts off and Dr. Cornel West, a high ranking member of the Democratic Socialists of America continually bashes him about not supporting Rev Wright, and not attending a “State of the Black Union” event (whatever that is) and countless other “black related” issues. These are the things you don’t hear about and no, those people do not speak for me. No racist speak for me.
Let’s start trying to end all of that bullshit right now. I know the perfect place to start. The Congressional Black Caucus. Now that is a black racist organization.
Now it’s your turn. Who would you pick?
Well; obviously I can add to your list nearly all groups that have WHITE in their name. However, it seems to me that they are far less obvious than those with BLACK in their name. Not that their staying more out of the open makes them any less racist. As an example, I don’t recall any groups called “Whites against Obama” or” Whites for Romney” in the last election.
I agree with most of your post……………….nearly ALL politicians are too afraid of do anything to any other politician, because they are scared it will come back into their own backyard. Therefore the only chance of ever making a politician do what he promised or at least remain legal after getting elected is a grassroots uprising.
“nearly ALL politicians are too afraid of do anything to any other politician, because they are scared it will come back into their own backyard. Therefore the only chance of ever making a politician do what he promised or at least remain legal after getting elected is a grassroots uprising.”
I agree. Politicians don’t want you shoveling around in their backyards. We may be surprised what we uncovered if we did.
But if I can add—some but not all of the groups with “black” in the title did so because in the past they weren’t allowed in the “white” groups. There’s not much of that going on these days so I don’t think any group necessarily needs that in their name.
My point it not to favor any side but to show the different sides. As many sides as possible because very seldom is anything as cut and d dried or black and white (pun intended) as we think they are. Believe me I get just as sick as you do when someone makes every situation about race when very few of them are.
Ok, since you passed, I’ll name another that should be eliminated: New Black Panther Party. A worthless racist organization that does nothing but spread hate.
I can understand why groups put Black in their names back in the days, but now it just appears somewhat racist to use the word in a title.
I will add Black Miss America to the eliminate list, since seven Miss America’s have been black.
A little late to the conversation, but one group that definitely needs to go is the SPLC. Just like the NAACP, they used to be a good group for the advancement and protection of Blacks and other minorities.
But lately, they have become a liberal mouthpiece and just name about every other conservative organization as a hate group.
I enjoyed reading your commentary on this issue Mr. Gates. I just wish more of your contemporaries felt the same.
Many of them do, mrguy. They’ll just not being heard. That’s for a couple of reasons:
1) The liberal side of the media doesn’t want that exposed because it doesn’t sell. Anyone that thinks things through rationally and exhibits a bit of common sense and decency is deemed boring. For example, Dr Ben Carson doesn’t sell. He’s not radical enough. He doesn’t go out of his way to bash and criticize others–but he does policies and procedures. So no, he doesn’t get a whole lot of microphone time.
2) Most of the smarter ones stay out of politics. They just want to live their lives, provide for their families and basically be left the hell alone.
What politicians, on both sides want us to do is blame each other. They want blacks to blame whites for all their shortcomings and vice versa so that focus is not on them. Reality is, we have a drug problem in all of society. We have high crime in all of society. We have morality issues in all of society. But as long as my focus is on blaming Bush, I can’t or don’t want to see what the Senate or Obama does wrong. If all I see is Obama on vacation, then I don’t see that Congress actually meets less than 150 days a year.
Truthfully, the NAACP started to get bad once the whites left the group. At that point, they lost focus of advancing all people. Now they’re just a loudmouth organization. They have no balance and that’s a leadership issue.
It is messed up. “Conservatives” love to parade black faces that fit in a certain slot, because there are so few willing to step up to the plate. I agree with your comment about the smart ones.
A black conservative risks being used as a poster child or being called an Uncle Tom. It is not an enviable position to be in, so when someone like Dr. Carson speaks, his demeanor sets the bar a little higher. From the little bit I have seen, he exudes intelligence and reason.
VERY Good Point Mr Guy……I wish more of the Black Community felt that way Too.
I’m certainly tired of all the pseudo-intellectual excuses given for their continued silence…..if there WERE more who felt that way the Elections would show it……But they Don’t…….and WON’T !!!
Count on it.
That sounds good—too bad that’s not the case.
Romney only won about 59% of the white vote. So that left a considerable amount of the white vote on the table. Obama convincingly won every other category. Whites as a whole make up over 70% of US voters so it’s not the minorities that won Obama the election. If Obama got 66% of the est 10 million black voters that voted that’s still only 6.6 million votes. That barely covers the spread that he won by.
Obama got 93% of the black vote. I think Clinton got 83% in ’92, Kerry got 93% in 2004 and Gore got 95%. Over all that’s pretty consistent of blacks voting democrat not blacks voting for Obama because he’s black.
That is a fact William. The two-party system is breaking down between the haves and those perceived to defend the have-nots. As long the group believing they are have-nots continues to grow, the Democrats will continue to win elections.
And the Free Shit Army WILL NOT BE DENIED.
8 thumbs up?
“OWEbozo is the most corrupt, criminal, ignorant and nearly any other negative descriptive word I could find POTUS of my adult lifetime (since Nixon).”
Are you for real? At least you qualified it with a reference to Nixon. LOL
If I was still posting here, there would be a post about the treatment Jesse Jackson jr received at the hands of the judge who meted out his sentence and that of his wife’s. How many of us would get to not only keep the kids, but serve our sentences one after the other, instead of concurrently? We are talking about felons here, not shoplifters, violators of the public trust.
Stick with blanket racist crap, Utah. Go with the Muslim-takeover plots, Let the real stories pass you by, no skin off my nose.
You got that right. It isn’t about skin color. It is about juice!
Greg, it’s more like “they take care of their own” as Obama appointee. Federal Judge Amy Berman Jackson, handed out sentences less than the prosecution recommended for JJackson, JR and spouse. It appears as if Jessie’s sentence will be commuted to 5 months should he behave himself while she only returns $22,000 of the $168,550 stolen by her … well worth the 18 months she’ll likely spend on the tax payer’s dollar.
So you are right, the rest of us would not be so lucky, but I doubt it is about race. As I asserted before, the Democratic Party is as fractured as the Republican Party, but just not as noticeable. There’s the Democrats, and the Obama Party. You’d be better off aligning with the latter if you plan on being a criminal. Life’s good inside Obama’s circle.
Both Jacksons get prison terms; he’ll serve first
August 14, 2013|By Katherine Skiba | Chicago Tribune reporter
Augger, you should have made that into a post. The judge an Obama appointee? Obama is either politically blind, or supremely arrogant, and we know he can cut a backroom deal with the best of them.
I never meant to say that JJ jr. and frau’s skin color was the reason for the boutique prison arrangements, I guess I should have taken the thread’s original subject into consideration..
Both parties may be fractured, but Democrats are used to it. They have been Balkanized since the twenties.
“The judge an Obama appointee?”
She certainly is. And I didn’t think you took a racist tack. I was simply expanding your idea that it’s more about who you know, and the circles you run in. The “juice” as Mr. Hough put it….
http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Amy_B._Jackson
I guess Obama is now back in Jesse sr’s good graces, Augger.
You know, I doubt Obama made phone calls or got directly involved. Obama is one of those guys that can just nod a direction, and everyone around him just knows what to do … like a Vito Corleone, if you will.
Maybe that’s not a good comparison, but I hope the point stands. I’m also not saying that it is necessarily something unexpected that each group takes care of their own, rather I am saying simply that they do, and that you astutely picked up upon it. 🙂
Maybe someone bought Jr’s silence…this one will grow like a cancer, Augger, IMHO anyway
Only if someone on the opposition side sees an exploitable benefit of it. Sad thing to admit, but the general rule is … always follow the money.
lol! I almost used that phrase myself.
I am not a newshound by any means, but I have heard little about this issue from either side. Professional courtesy?
Nor have I. I actually had to research the players to validate your point. While JR has a famous father, he’s not a newsworthy politician on the level of Washington’s “heavy hitters”, and that’s why I think the story remains largely irrelevant.
If that is true,Augger, it has to hurt Jesse sr, more than watching his kid’s fall from grace
This is an excerpt from a PCNH article on the battle with Atlanta over water flow into the Apalachicola River:
“Hartsfield yielded the remainder of his time to Ricky Banks, the vice president of the seafood workers association, who spoke eloquently of the oystermen’s plight.”
“In Atlanta, they’re going to keep having babies. They’re going to keep needing more and more water,” he said. “Let Atlanta stop watering their grass a little bit.”
“What we have here is a system being run by man that was created by God,” he said. “When man steps in he has a way of messing things up. Man made this disaster, man can fix this disaster. Man needs to do his job.”
Most of the females of child-bearing age, living in Atlanta, are indeed likely to “keep having babies”, but
Population density is also dependent upon economic opportunities. Perhaps Mr. Banks should have stuck with watering lawns and filling swimming pools.