Cliven Bundy and the Spectre of Race

I noticed that the Imam had posted something on FaceBook saying that our “hero” has fallen. Since we are not “friends” (and as I have no desire to be), I can’t post a response, so posting here is the best I can do to respond.

Cliven Bundy said something that is apparently racist:

“He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

I guess the term “negro”, like “nigger”, if said by a white man is a pejorative term…but only if it is said by a white guy.

Bundy continued:

“When it comes to getting an education, too many of our young people just can’t be bothered. They’re sitting on couches for hours playing video games, watching TV. Instead of dreaming of being a teacher or a lawyer or a business leader, they’re fantasizing about being a baller or a rapper.”

No wait – that was Michelle Obama – good thing she didn’t say “negro”.

Apparently here’s another something that Democrats just say:

Alabama state Rep. Alvin Holmes, a Democrat, said last month that Republicans would support abortion if their daughters were impregnated by black men, and promised to give $100,000 to anyone who could prove that “a whole bunch of whites,” had adopted black children in the state of Alabama.

But that’s not racist because it was said by a black man about white people.

And rather than address this head on, Republican cowards like Rand Paul and Nevada Sen. Dean Heller couldn’t wait to run away, “Senator Heller completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.”

I want someone to educate me as to why Bundy’s comments are considered “appalling and racist” and those of Alvin Holmes’ and Michelle Obama’s aren’t. Are we so afraid of the word “negro” that we can’t address the commonality between the statements of Michelle Obama and Cliven Bundy? Are both of them not true?

Bundy’s comments may have been offensive but I’m doubting that he is the racist he is about to be painted to be. This is Duck Dynasty all over again.

I’m sorry – after having been falsely called a racist for years, my knee jerk doesn’t reach that high. Bundy did NOT say that slavery was good or acceptable; he said that blacks had more freedom under slavery than they have under the welfare state.

His use of slavery as a comparison and contrast was inept but that is what it was, not the approval of it.

I can’t and won’t defend the way he said it or the words he used but the idea that the welfare state is worse that slavery isn’t a new one – how many conservatives have used the words “Democrat plantation” in conjunction with the left’s love of welfare dependency?

Even if he was a racist, that isn’t why he had federal employees pointing guns at him two weeks ago, nor is it why Harry Reid called his supporters “domestic terrorists”.

Bundy isn’t “ignorant” – he is inarticulate and not very politically astute, something that shouldn’t be surprising from a rancher who is used to speaking his mind…but this is a battle that we can’t win – in truth, there is no affirmative defense for this.

If you defend Bundy, you are a racist – if you don’t, your silence proves you are a racist. If you are afraid to address it head on and run away or remain silent, you lose by default. If Bundy is proven a racist, you lose AND are a racist by association.

The left has learned the skill of saying “forget the specific words, it is the bigger idea that we should be debating” – sort of the Nina Totenberg/”It is the seriousness of the charge that matters, not whether he did it or not” approach that was developed during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.

The political right has ceded that ground, we are stuck with every sentence being parsed and negative intent assigned to every word. It is “Kafkatrapping” – i.e. “Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…} confirms that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}.”

That is why the Democrats want to have a “national conversation on race” – they know they won’t have to put the ball gag on us because it is already there.

If you watch the video and hear Bundy’s actual words and demeanor, his comments are not racist and are actually sympathetic to black Americans – what he is saying is “look at what big government and welfare has done to the black community – they are no better off than they were as slaves – maybe in some aspects they are worse off.” Given that the context of his situation is pushing back against a big government he feels threatened by, I can understand his remarks.

When you factor in that 70% of black children are born to single mothers, black men are incarcerated at a very high rate, black on black crime is significantly higher than black on white or white on black crime, gang related murders are rampant and the abortion rate of black babies is tantamount to genocide, it isn’t hard to see what Bundy was saying, albeit inarticulately – as I noted.

The disappointing thing is the speed at which the “conservatives” ran away from this. It was as if they thought they were supposed to be sympathetic to his cause because their supporters expected them to be but they were looking to run at the first opportunity – and they did.

I don’t know if Bundy is racist or not – I don’t know the guy. He may be a 5th Degree Grand Kleagle Dragon and Supreme Poobah in the KKK for all I know but I do know this – to be inarticulate and historically inaccurate does not equate to being a racist. That is a long gap to bridge. Just because I believe that the moon is made of extra sharp Cheddar cheese does not mean I hate Brie or Camembert ( I do hate Brie, though).

We can’t be afraid to have these discussions – especially when every incident of black racism is “whitewashed”, parsed, explained away and excused and any statement out of a white person’s mouth is imputed as racist as if it was in our DNA.

I’m tired of it, that is why I posted this because this is straight out of the Alinsky playbook.

I stated that I can’t and won’t defend the words Bundy used but I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt where the charge of racism is concerned.

That’s more than Rand Paul, Dean Heller or Glenn Beck gave him.

I would also encourage you to read this post at Lew Rockwell’s site entitled For Progressives, “Thoughtcrime” is Worse than Mass Murder.

26 thoughts on “Cliven Bundy and the Spectre of Race

  1. I was disappointed in those that ran from Bundy

    Rather than wait till all the clear and actual information was presented

    I just read something on WP that was interesting

    Bundy was compared to Al Sharpton

    Sharpton owes 1.9 million in back taxes

    • Bundy owes FEES to the BLM NOT taxes.

      Fees to an Un-Elected Fed Agency that he elected to continue paying to the State via Clarke County because he didn’t recognize the Legitimacy of the Clinton BLM regulation over-reach.

      THAT is the essence of the Money issue. Except that the fees amount to at most $200k. The BLM self-regulated additional Late fees and “Fines” to make-up the “$1 il” number.

      • I know Bundy does not owe taxes

        The comparison was that no one reports that Sharpton owes the government

        The memo from 2010 Obama Administration in which the land grab is discussed and one in which Senator DeMint alerted about, is out

        I look for a leader, one I would vote for president, who would say let’s give the man, Bundy, an opportunity and let’s get all the accurate information before we condemn

        Rather than what took place where they all ran for the hills

        And due to that I am rethinking about those politicians

        I want a leader who makes the path not one that falls in line

        • I know you weren’t saying that. Posts with relevant info are used to disseminate info to the Casual reader and/or the Motivated to arm with additional info. And the Language MATTERS. The Left uses it as a weapon. so we have to repeat…FEES not TAXES.

          With respect to your comment I agree !!….. To say I am disappointed would be an understatement. Dean Heller is another Rubio….RINO fraud. I actually supported his campaign with time and Money because he was a Tea Party candidate so to speak. We ( Americans-Patriots) have quislings everywhere it seems……TP Frauds…….Media Personality Frauds…on and on.

          • Those Repubs that ran for the hills against Bundy lost my respect and my Conservative Republican vote

            I have been a declared Republican since I first became old enough to vote

            Enjoy this wonderful spring day

            And thanks for getting the accurate information out

            • Thanks. Dittos on all those retreating from the Constitution “Conservative” Republicans ! Might I ask why your avatar is a Pentagram?.

              More on Harry Reid…..Who seems to have conspicuously DROPPED from the Discussion recently yet is CENTRAL to it and OTHER BLM land grabs and Chinese sellouts of America.

  2. Utah, when they cannot rationalize the total disregard for the U.S. Constitution with what is happening in Nevada, Texas, Colorado, and other states … all they have left is to play the race card, which is exactly what Greg has done with his post. Greg is no better than Clive Bundy or the KKK whom he is desperately attempting to connect to the real issue here;

    From Greg:

    “If you want to make a hero of a racist moocher who is doing exactly what he claims Black people are doing, then go on and worship the racistwelfare queen. I’ve said for years, “scratch a states rights advocate, and you will find a racist”. Thanks, Mr. Bundy, for providing evidence in my favor.”

    So this is how he does it. If you attempt at all to defend a state’s sovereign rights, then you are by Greg’s definition … a racist bastard. How convenient.

    So my response is the same as before:

    Gee, I guess I should start voting for Dems then. I never realized that I was sending African Americans to die in concentration camps!

    Illinois’s Democratic Governor Pat Quinn’s message to Blacks – Vote for me or you’ll be like Jews who support Nazis?

  3. I hated that he used the term picking cotton. Sadly, the govt. has created institutionalized slavery for blacks and whites by systematically breaking up the family unit. So I understood what Mr. Bundy was trying to say. Why should someone bother getting an education or a job, when they are paid more to pop out more kids and sit on their tails all day? I believe the state of WI actually requires the single mother to be working, going to school or volunteering.

    By the by, you would love melted brie with a slice of pear on a sesame cracker. #trust

  4. Interesting sound bite I heard on the news yesterday – Canada has surpassed the US in “middle-class” base. The US middle class is disappearing. Canada’s is actually growing.

  5. The Left spends boundless energy to find a comment to create “racist grenades” to hurl at the Right. Don’t think truth or context matters to most on the Left, and the media with a few exceptions, stumble over their own feet, rushing to do the Left’s bidding. IMO Melfamy is a troll and too silly to spend time reading and giving any concern.

  6. Utah,
    Count me in on your side. Can’t disagree with anything in your post, except like Kells, I love the Brie.

    If anyone can find fallacy in Utah’s post, I am open to a fair and lively discussion!

  7. Utah, you should be able to post comments on any thread. The only reason that you couldn’t would be if one of us blocked the other,because then we would basically be invisible to one another.

  8. The problem with Bundy’s statement is not what he calls anybody (but the conceit gave you an excuse to type the pejorative term, so there’s that), it’s that he assumes Negro = welfare recipient and idleness. In fact blacks and whites are equally represented on the welfare rolls; 38% of recipients are white, 39% are black. Then there’s his “Song of the South” vision of the happy negro out in Massa’s field, pickin’ cotton and grinnin’, when they weren’t strumming on the ol’ banjo. Yeah, right, better off under the overseer’s whip, better off looking at the ground, so as to avoid making eye contact with a white woman. Why don’t you ask all your black friends if Bundy isn’t onto something here? That shouldn’t take but one or two phone calls.

    Since you are so anal as to save all your old comments, why don’t you scroll back and tell us again how you assumed that Spokane, Washington, has less crime because it has fewer black residents than the average big American city? It took me a minute, tops, to find out that Spokane has one of the highest crime rates, per capita, in the United States.

  9. Funny thing, the MSM need something to frame this person as a “Racist” to discredit his stance on Big Government land grabbing. And they found it, but still had to edit the piece to cut out the part that damns their stance that he is a ‘racist’. During the ramblings before the claim that he is racist he states that he has seen a lot of change and he does not wish to return to the old days. Making the ‘better off as a slave’ analogy just that a comparison between physical slavery and the governments mental slavery. As far as the statement on ‘picking cotton’; that seems to me to be an analogy saying they have no training to get any employment, either through their own lack of will to better themselves or the availability of easy money from the Government.

    Poorly said, yes; Racist, I think not. Heard the same ideas expressed here but much more eloquently.

    • I’ve worked with and grown up with Folks like Bundy. They call anyone who is 10 years younger than them Boys and Gals/Girls. Whether you have some gray hair or not….. LOL.

      It’s generational.

  10. Don, I know exactly what you mean. Most, if not all of them, would also share any wealth they had with a neighbor or any member of the community that was in need. I don’t know that any of them were ignorant as much as busy doing their part for family and community. Being well spoken and intellectual are great assets, just not sure that generation, especially in farm/ranch settings made that a top priority.

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