Killing Jesus

Muslims are willing to kill over a cartoon of Muhammad while Christians are afraid to hurt someone’s feelings. The leadership of various major branches of Christianity work to move away from Biblical teachings and morph mainline Christianity in America to some kind of Casey Kasem Top 40 religion guided not by God but by pop culture.

I’m not really surprised people are losing faith in Christianity. According to Pew:

The Christian share of the U.S. population is declining, while the number of U.S. adults who do not identify with any organized religion is growing, according to an extensive new survey by the Pew Research Center. Moreover, these changes are taking place across the religious landscape, affecting all regions of the country and many demographic groups. While the drop in Christian affiliation is particularly pronounced among young adults, it is occurring among Americans of all ages. The same trends are seen among whites, blacks and Latinos; among both college graduates and adults with only a high school education; and among women as well as men.

Not too long ago, there was a Presbyterian minister, John Shuck, who declared that he didn’t believe in God. Stating more specifically he believed:

  • Religion is a human construct
  • The symbols of faith are products of human cultural evolution
  • Jesus may have been an historical figure, but most of what we know about him is in the form of legend
  • God is a symbol of myth-making and not credible as a supernatural being or force
  • The Bible is a human product as opposed to special revelation from a divine being
  • Human consciousness is the result of natural selection, so there’s no afterlife

Rather than teaching God’s laws, the organized church wants to be everybody’s friend by telling them “anything goes”, “God is cool with you doing your own thing, man.” Christianity is becoming the equivalent of a 60’s Haight-Ashbury love-in fueled by Occupy Wall Street “social justice” sentimentality and patchouli oil.

Some influential Christians say religion needs more popular appeal, that in a digital world of iPhones and instant gratification delivered via 250 cable channels, teachings must be moderated and standards must be loosened so that it is more inclusive – essentially adopting the progressive’s view of any standard, that it is malleable and changeable depending on what society wants (same as they see the Constitution). The strictness and rigidity is what is driving people away, they say.

But even a mild awareness of the Holy Bible reveals why a populist approach is and will fail. In Matthew 7:24-27 (KJV) (also found in Luke), Jesus says:

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Populist Christianity is building a house upon the sand. I look to my belief in God to be guided and informed by my religion and for that religion to provide structure and guidance in my life. I’m not looking for an entity to reaffirm or agree with what I want to do, I am looking for a challenge to my human desires – something that makes me think.

Discarding the Bible in favor of People magazine is sure prescription for the end of Christianity. Worshiping in the pop culture Cathedral of the Divine Kardashian where every prayer ends with “Oh, well” instead of “Amen” is idolatry. Falling Christian identification isn’t due to a lack of popularity, it is due to a self-defeating “moderation” in a quest for popularity – a self-inflicted wound.

The path organized Christianity as taken in search of relevance guarantees it will become less relevant. That is what this Pew poll tells me.

May we understand what Jesus meant when he told Peter (Matthew 16:18):

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

May God help us all.

35 thoughts on “Killing Jesus

  1. Christians are taught to turn the other cheek, but I agree that praying for the trees over the people (yes, this happens) is ludicrous. Christ defended God as should we……sans the weapons, if possible.

    What is interesting, and not surprising, is that the greatest achievements from man have come from the folks who have a strong belief in a creator. People espouse the extremely flawed theory of evolution, and don’t look at some very hard facts. They also do not look at the ingenious marvels from ancient man. (Not found in the very anti-God country of North Korea, e.g…..) If we have evolved it is only through a progressive agenda which deviates from truth, and is in fact more of a devolution.

    Fun story: A Jehovah’s Witness came to the door Monday, and she was hawt! I had her talk to my son. My sister flipped, and screamed that they were a cult! Here’s the thing: I believe an individual should ascertain from the information they are given and gather on their own accord to surmise for themselves what is the truth. If one does not test his religion; he’s just a Job wanna-be; so my sister can kiss it. This JW girl is coming back next Monday……needless to say, my son’s been reading up on the JW’s. 🙂

    • Kells,

      I’m going to make you swallow your teeth when I tell you I am impressed. As of late, you have shown a great deal of wisdom and sound judgment in your posts. In fact, if I did not know better, I’d swear F was posting under your name 😉

      As for the JW’s: I understand what you are doing, and do not disagree. But a word of caution: the JW’s are a cult and, as with all cults, they teach just enough truth to make it easy for those weak in their faith to get deceived. Keep an eye on your son — just in case.

      • That’s sweet, but F. doesn’t do social media…….except to check on her. I’m terribly curious now; you’ve stated the Mormons and the Jehovah Witnesses are both cults. Why? I find Scientology to be a cult. Find the same thing with the Westboro Nutters and the Hari Krishnas. I can explain my reasoning. Can you?

        • Jehova’s Witnesses ……a Cult with DEEP agenda Connections !

          Charles Taze Russell……… A pyramid Memorial at his gravesite…..Nuff Said.

        • Kells,

          Yes. Essentially, a cult is any belief system created by one person — usually a charismatic authoritarian — teaching a false or deviant version of a wider belief with a built-in ‘auto-protect’ mechanism. Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc. But also Joseph Smith, Muhammad and the Jehovah’s Witnesses all qualify. HOWEVER, lest someone try to claim Christianity is a cult: it is not because it does not meet the definition. First, Christ did not create Christianity, He merely fulfilled that which dozens of prophets before Him had foretold. That alone prevents Christianity from being a cult, but also the fact that Christ is God, so there is nothing false in the faith in Christ/Yahweh.

          Your turn 🙂

          • I want to answer just the Secular part. Because I want to address those who are secular reading this and your comment. You said…
            ” HOWEVER, lest someone try to claim Christianity is a cult: it is not because it does not meet the definition. First, Christ did not create Christianity, He merely fulfilled that which dozens of prophets before Him had foretold. ”

            This is Key. Because you are 100 % correct ! Christ talked of “The Way” for each of us, a person’s relationship with God ….. NOT here is my Church and here is my Steeple, and Oh yeah here are some new rules. The rules if you will were long established already.
            And those who followed Him and those who came after, created their Churches which later sought guidance from Paul and to a lesser extent James, Peter etc.

            • Don,

              I understand what you are saying — and why. But upon further reflection, I feel the need to clarify something — for those who do not know Scripture. There are some who believe Paul created a new religion. There is at least one person on the RNL claiming a degree in Scripture who has stated that Paul created Christianity. THIS IS NOT TRUE! And if Paul were alive today, he would say so — because he already did in Galatians.

              Paul explained the Scriptures and put them into context now that the prophecies about the Messiah have been fulfilled. He was putting the OT into context — just as Christ tried to do for those who would listen to Him. They were both teachers, and we need only read Romans to see that Paul held tight to the OT. This only stands to reason since Paul was a Pharisee (expert in the OT).

              But Paul was clear: he only taught what Jesus had taught him through revelation. In Galatians, he says anyone teaching anything other than Christ’s Gospel was to be accursed, and Paul included himself in this condemnation. So those who say Paul started a new religion are wrong. They can only make their claim by ignoring Paul’s words, as well as Scripture. THAT is what it means to create a new religion: to ignore God’s Word and substitute your own. THAT is how cults are formed.

              • Yes. Absolutely !

                That’s why I addressed Kell’s first sort of “secular” point about Christ not creating a “New” set of “rules” like Chuck Russell, Joe Smith and the other Satanist frauds did. But He rather spoke to those “with ears to hear” about those eternal rules ( laws ), found in what we today call the OT.

                So, in a way, the only thing ( or most important thing) “created” during Christ’s ministry was the opportunity to follow “the way”. Which had existed before, during and after his time on Earth. That and redemption, or as the more secular minded may see it, a kind of “second chance” , through his death and resurrection.

                Do I make sense?

          • Here we are then: I feel that the JWs, and Mormons follow Christ’s teachings, and their followers prove it. Do they annoy the hello outta me when they come knockin? Yes, but their intentions are based in Christianity. The others seem to make up a Dr. Who adventure on what a human is to believe.

            • No, Kells, they do NOT follow Christ’s commands. They have changed His Gospel and His message of how we are saved to suit themselves. They are especially dangerous because folks like you see what you think are good people and believe it means they cannot be lost — but they are. If you knew God’s Word you would know I am telling you the truth.

              • Joe,

                It seems to me Kell’s problem lies here : “… but their intentions are based in Christianity. ”

                INTENTIONS…… the very essence of the Progressive psycho-Tactic of using “good intentions” to soft peddle what often are deep attacks on basic Natural Rights. An extension of Cultural Relativism brought to us by the likes Margaret Mead and Company.

                The other is this : …. ” based IN Christianity “. “Based IN” is not the same as Christianity. But moral relativism leads to them being the same. By this type of calculus, relativism makes equivalence relationships between ideas and actions which actually don’t exist. Similar to your “Coexist” Thread on the OYL.

                • Don,

                  Again, you are standing on solid ground. I have shared the passage with Kells before, yet she does not listen (there is a passage in that, too). Christ said there will be those who preach, do miracles and heal etc in His name, yet, on judgment day, he will send them away. Jesus said He never knew them. This means they did things in His name, but they did not obey His commands. they did exactly what the JW and Mormons do.

                  Kells is standing on shifting sand.

              • Really? Hmmm….let’s start with chatting it up about the actual words of Christ:

                And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.’”

                “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come

                “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

                As far as I can tell there are no JW’s or Mormons running around beheading people. Seems to me they are following directions.

                Gosh! Could it have anything to do with good works?

                And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.

                For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labor of love, which you have showed toward his name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

                Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

                Oh, but here’s one for you and Don: Judge not, that ye not be judged.

                • He said preach HIS Gospel, not one you make up.

                  Shortly after Christ ascended, there WERE JW’s and Mormons, they werte called Gnostics and other such names, but the same thing. Paul wrote about opposing them, as did John.

                  We are not justified by works, but those who are born again will be known by their works because they will not be able to help BUT do good works. You need to get the cause/effect straight here.

                  Judge not comes from a passage where Christ says YOU MUST JUDGE, so learn to judge correctly.

                  Kells, try reading your Scriptures. You are demonstrating that you do not know them.

                  • That is not the only passage on judging another. The point I am driving at is that the crux of their message is to follow Christ. The Scientologists, &c. prefer that you follow man. This is the way I see it from reading their literature. Do I think the JWS and Mormons are a bit skewed? Yes, but I also believe they are on the right team.

                    • You are correct. Paul also tells us we need to judge others so we must learn to judge correctly.

                      Now, if I tell you to follow Christ, but the Christ I tell you to follow is just a man who I claim became a god through learning and good works, guess what? I am NOT teaching you to follow Christ, I am leading you down the road to hell.

                      But you keep walking the wide and smooth road, Kells. Let me know how it turns out for you. Just remember, I tried to warn you, but you had neither ears nor eyes…

                • But they are going and making disciples to follow and become Jehovah’s Witnesses and/or Mormons and other Cults ( as you have yourself called them). THAT is the purpose of their missions…..to gain followers and members of their Cult.
                  Similar to Scientology and islam. Except of course only islam sanctions intimidation, torture, murder and/or Dhimmitude as a way to frighten the survivors into “the most peaceful religion in the world”.

                • Kells, you do realize that Christ was talking to other believers, and telling them to love other believers, don’t you? I mean, yes, we are to love everyone, but Christ and His Apostles differentiated how believers are to treat the lost. Christ did not teach to treat the lost the same as believers. In fact, He, Himself, referred to Gentiles as dogs, which, in the culture of His time was only one level above a pig.

                • Pushing for converts to join their Cults doesn’t sound like love. It sounds like indoctrination and agenda.

                  My understanding, and Joe can correct me, is that a true Christian wants others ( including other Christians) to follow “the way” from their heart……and later actions. Which is a personal relationship…..not an organized joining of a prescribed cult.

                  • Don,

                    As long as the individual understands that ‘the way’ is the way according to the Gospel Christ taught, yes, you are correct. Sadly, these cults fo not teach the same Gospel or the same Jesus, so they teach the path to ruin. Again, not my words, but those of Jesus and His Apostles.

  2. I don’t pretend to know the will of the Lord, but I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want us to kill anyone under any circumstances except in self defence.
    Leslie

  3. Utah,

    The Drop in those answering the Poll question from 78.4 to 70.6 % or 7.8 %. Represents a drop in those “affiliating” with a Christian Religion. But doesn’t really reflect how many believe or don’t believe.

    It seems to me to be a reflection of disagreement, if not disgust, with the secular Social engineering that has increasingly crept into the big Established Christian Churches. Rush had a good take on this I thought.

    “Many of these churches within these denominations now perform homosexual marriages. They ordain gay pastors and ministers — and in some cases, female and lesbian pastors and ministers. Which you might think would cause some people to leave those churches, if they disagreed with the decisions made. Those denominations — the Methodists, the Lutherans, the Presbyterians — dropped a lot of members.

    I don’t know whether they have picked another church, or they don’t go to church at all. But they have left their churches because of social issues, and the “evolution” of their churches to social areas they didn’t want to go and don’t feel of those being in. And I don’t think… I don’t even say that to be controversial. It’s just what it is. But again, those are probably words that the left doesn’t want to hear. They’re words like that the left would tag as “intolerant.”

    I’m not tolerating or intolerating anything. I’m just telling you. I’m guessing why the numbers are what they are, because if you look at the evangelical churches, they haven’t lost anything. Their membership is holding pretty steady. Where the message has remained the same, where the mission has remained the same, where the members of the church don’t think any corruption is taking place, they are still hanging in there. ”

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/05/12/pew_poll_on_religion_shows_the_power_christians_could_still_have_in_this_country_if_they_used_it

    His larger point is that 70 % is still a HUGE number, and if you count those that have left and are just worshiping quietly at home or private groups because they are disgusted with Church Leadership, it is larger still. I would say it is in fact Static at about 79-80 %.

    The fact that there is no Push-Back from them is the Key, as he says at the end of his monologue.

    • DOn,

      This study aside, our pastor recently shared some numbers that come from within the Protestant family of churches. In the first decade of the 20th Century, some 17 of every 20 people professed to believe in Christ. Today, it is less than 1 in 20. Now, since this was a church study, ‘believe’ was narrowly defined as those who actually practice the faith, not just claim it or go to church on Sunday. In Europe the numbers are even smaller. Any way we slice this one, THAT is a ‘falling away.’ Personally, I believe it is because the Church no longer teaches faith in God or God’s laws but has become just another avenue toward “social justice” — a decidedly Marxist agenda.

  4. Understanding the Bible can only begin after we follow Jesus’ instruction:
    Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
    Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
    Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
    Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
    Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
    Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
    Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

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