I was presented with a bit of a moral dilemma – I guess, more of a moral question…
I was discussing the morality, the amorality or the immorality of separating children from adults trying to illegally cross the US border – and in that discussion, I was called immoral because I wanted the law enforced. It isn’t that I don’t have sympathy or compassion for these children, but it seems to me this is a little like the old story of the child murdering his parents and then petitioning the judge for mercy because he is now an orphan. I get that there are cases where people are fleeing terrible conditions in their home countries (and there are a percentage who aren’t, they just seek economic advancement – like the mother of the child Time magazine dishonestly placed on its cover).
So, being somewhat schooled in the Socratic Method, I asked a few questions.
“Does morality and compassion have a border? Does caring begin and end along the Rio Grande? If they get a foot across the line, we are supposed to care and if they don’t they are invisible?”
“Why do you ask?” came the reply.
I then proceeded to make an argument for something that is historically proven effective but now considered gauche and evil – hegemonic imperialism.
I asked, “My point was that if you care about the morality of helping refugees and have true compassion, and you have the power to stop the root causes of the conditions the refugees are fleeing, do you not have the moral duty – a moral imperative – to do so?”
“What do you mean?”
“I mean a good old dose of Manifest Destiny. Projecting American leadership and dominance by extending her power and influence militarily. If we are concerned about the plight of illegal immigrants, from a moral perspective, should we also not be concerned about the same conditions experienced by people who can’t or won’t escape them? It seems to me that selective compassion lacks morality.”
“Well, we can’t do that.”
“Why not? These states are clear and present dangers. The Mexican government is corrupt and now it is going to be corrupt AND communist. The new president-elect has already encouraged an invasion at our southern border. For decades, Mexico has done little to nothing to stem illegal immigration, the drug trade or human trafficking. Central America is just as bad.”
“Nation building in Afghanistan and Iraq were disasters.”
“I agree. New store, same old crappy management. If you are going to have a better store, you must change the management. It isn’t the general populations of Mexico and Central America who are the issues – it’s the corrupt governments. If it is ever to be fixed, this is where it must start. You have to end the corruption.”
“We have no right to interfere with sovereign nations. That would be an invasion.”
“No, it would be a defensive action against an invasion that is ongoing – one that has been ongoing for decades – and I’m not talking about nation building, I’m talking about national expansion. I’m not talking about transplanting American values, I’m talking about something akin to the old British Empire – they don’t model us, they are PART of us. Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama…all part of the United States (or at least part of a commonwealth governed by the US, under our Constitution with protection from a military that can end the corruption.”
“No one wants that. Plus, nobody wants all those problems.”
“Well, your own comments show how wrong that is. You make the argument that people want to come to the US for freedom, opportunity and economic success – so they do want that, enough so that they are willing to transit 2,000 miles or more with nothing but the clothes on their backs to get it…and as for the problems, we suffer the effects of them now – we just have little means to effectively deal with them.”
“It’s not our right…”
“Maybe not…but America is expected to take responsibility for something it can’t. America can’t accept responsibility without the authority to do something about it. Hell, we’ll even invite Canada and Puerto Rico – call it the USNA – the United States of North America. Our southern border would then be the 139 mile border between Panama (the 60th state) and Colombia rather than the 1,954 mile US/Mexico border – shorter wall and much easier to defend.”
“That’s impossible.”
“Not really. I think in the coming years, we’ll find out how possible it really is. It is the only way I can see to deal with the real issues that plague all of the countries spanning North America.”
So, there was my defense of imperialism and hegemony as the solution to our moral dilemma at the southern border.
A bit of “go big or go home”, I guess.
The Rio Norte Line 
You are immoral because you are a liar. People seeking asylum are not criminals, they are desperate people fleeing hopeless situations, trying to find a better life for their children. You are sick people, and you are happy with trumps goal of turning us into a 3rd world country, as long as the worlds newset shithole is run by the GOP. Utah, you and your lemmings in here are abetting treason.You are promoting a thug. You are going to be vilified by your grandchildren.
Thus speaketh the muslim… lol.
By international law the first Country you reach is your asylum. Thus mexico is breaking the law and those claiming asylum are the liars as well as criminals by (1) not stopping there and (2) by continuing with known intent to break into a country uninvited. Premeditated criminality in fact.
I want a better life for my children too. That doesn’t mean I can break into melfamy’s house and steal his stuff and DEMAND that melfamy pay for them… and me as well.
We were saved from circling the drain of shitholedom being created for us by the magic nagger O’bammy and his evil socialist followers like you. For which I thank God and truly believe God intervened.
islam is a cult of murder, rape, fascism and repression. Only the sick and vile support it and it’s secular ally-liberalism/socialism.
May God forgive you.
Youd hang jesus on the cross again, if he was stupid enough to descend into this pit if vipers that is humanity.you are hateful and your ignorance comes from a combination of ignorance and stupidity.. now, go play with your putin love doll, you unamerican waste of carbon atoms.
Don,
Thank you!
It is difficult to explain TRUTH to liberal, degenerate democrats!
Jesus says it best in Matthew 15:14
EdwardS
Hey Edward !!
High Five.
The truth is, you support an evil man, and an evil party. Come to your senses.
The Truth is … muslims worship the moon-god, marching in a line to kiss her man-made silver Vulva at the ka’aba and bow to a piece of meteorite. Serving allah by raping, murdering , torturing and enslaving in her name. The marxist Socialists are not very far removed as their alliance with islam shows.
God Bless Trump and his supporters for keeping the True flame of Liberty shining the light onto Evil.
What are you going to wear on krystallnacht, quisling?
Krystallnacht is already happening to Christians, Conservatives and Trump supporters on Google/Youtube … FakeBook…Tweeter and other Social media.
Krystallnacht already happened when one of your Socialist Bernie Sanders employees shot GOP Rep Scalise and 8 others in DC…. It happened on a Dallas Night when one of your BLM- Black racists shot 5 Dallas Cops to death in the Back….
What were you wearing on those Nights ? ….. Purdah…. or Mao shirt ?
Oh, you poor, victimized, snowflake!
You need to go ahead and I want it karma you and your ilk are following the pre-nazi Playbook. You are a mob in waiting, when Trump tells you it’s okay to start beating up people with turbans Karma trash motels run by Muslims, and drive the pour out into the rain, you will cheerfully do it because it’s secretly what you wanted to do all along.
The only people actually KILLING people is You Leftists…. the only people Shooting Politicians is you Leftists. The only people rioting and smashing people in the head with Bicycle locks is you leftists.
The only “people” demonizing people are you Leftists. You Leftist-Democrats are the 21st Century Brown Shirt/Black shirt fascists.
Very sad….and very hateful you all are.
It amazes me how easily those lies roll off your tongue, but it is impossible to have a conversation with someone who deliberately lies and flaunts his ignorance.
Hodgekinson was one of you guys…. a Bernie Sanders guy.
YOU are the liars.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/homepage2/james-hodgkinson-profile/index.html
The five Dallas cops were shot in the back by a BLM black racist. Recently a Commie-fornia College professor was fired and charge with smashing a Trump supporter in the head with a bicycle lock–captured on video.
There are scores of other documented incidents. You leftists are lying violent scum…. as you always have been throughout history.
Here’s more of your leftist Socialist thug Violence : 500 ( it’s up tp 538 now) cases of Leftist violence against Conservatives and Trump supporters.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/nyt-publisher-complains-to-trump-about-potential-violence-against-journalists-ignores-over-500-violent-attacks-on-trump-supporters/
You people are Sick !
Dont be such a crybaby, you nazi sympathizing fuck! Fight back, chickenshit!
A liberal hit me! I aint your daddy, go hide behind someone else’s leg
First you say I am lying…. then when given ….LITERALLY…. hundreds of Examples….. you talk like a thug. Thus proving my points many times over.
Leftists are Nazi fascist lying mob thugs …. everywhere, everytime.