Oh, to be sure, if you are inclined to want govt. to take care of you from the womb to the tomb, then you won’t see it. But to those of us who still believe in individual rights and liberty, the rule of law and taking personal responsibility to see to both ideals, you will understand that this story is precisely what I claim: an admission by the Federal govt. that it wants Americans to be dependent on it for their very survival, and that this condition is called slavery (actually, it’s worse, it’s called serfdom — but that’s a subject for Utah to cover as he and Hayek are twins):
Feds: Too few Americans ‘turn to government for assistance’
More Americans rely on their families for assistance than the government, so federal officials have undertaken an effort to help people to apply for federal assistance.
“Given that only 15 percent of you turn to government assistance in tough times, we want to make sure you know about benefits that could help you,” USA.gov announced today. The ”government made easy’ website has created a “help for difficult financial times” page for people to learn more about the programs.
Now, I am at a loss to explain this when it wasn’t that long ago we were told there are more Americans than ever drawing some form of “redistribution” from the govt. But I know this: the Federal govt.’s stance is directly opposed to the ideals and principles that founded this nation. I’ll simply quote Franklin to close this post:
On excessive taxation to provide welfare:
It would be thought a hard government that should tax its people one tenth part.
On favoring one group or class over another:
History affords us many instances of the ruin of states, by the prosecution of measures ill suited to the temper and genius of their people. The ordaining of laws in favor of one part of the nation, to the prejudice and oppression of another, is certainly the most erroneous and mistaken policy. An equal dispensation of protection, rights, privileges, and advantages, is what every part is entitled to, and ought to enjoy… These measures never fail to create great and violent jealousies and animosities between the people favored and the people oppressed; whence a total separation of affections, interests, political obligations, and all manner of connections, by which the whole state is weakened.
On the best way to do good to the poor (both to their needs and to their souls):
I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
On welfare (and how to improve the general economy):
Repeal that [welfare] law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. … Six days shalt thou labor, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them.
The Rio Norte Line 
Thing is, B, and I have no argument with any of the quotes nor with your opinion, what would they do? There’s always a 4-6% unemployment rate in the best of times, adding to the workforce now would hurt people seeking gainful employment, and breed resentment.
Do we just make their lives miserable, and force them to seek a solution? Up goes the crime rate. In the old days, one could just go and carve out an estate in the wilderness, but those days of unrestrained growth are pretty much over. There’s no where to go.
Greg,
There is unemployment because there is welfare — and a poor attitude. Truth is, there are too many in this nation who would refuse a job they think beneath them, or which doesn’t pay what they think they are worth. Their condition is their fault — period — especially so in a nation where you are supposedly free to start your own business.
To be honest, a large part of the reason there is poverty in this nation is due to the character of the poor. And before you go attacking me for stating another ugly truth that most would rather ignore, I say this because I HAVE BEEN THERE! Many who do not have money do not have it because they do not manage what they get correctly. I was that way for a long time. It was not until I started my own company that I even understood the difference between money and wealth, so it is little wonder that, in a nation where the schools teach class warfare rather than commerce, that so many would be poor: they think they have been ripped off rather than educated to understand they have squandered money, time, effort, resources AND opportunity.
I’ve been poor as well. The difference between most poor people and you and I is that they have never known anything else. Their attitudes are set by parents who were just as poor and incapable of surviving on their own.
As to character, the character of the rest of us is not conducive to solving the problem, as we are in the main too busy with our I-Pods and designer vodkas to work with the poor, to be teachers and examples.
Many poor people have taken advantage of the opportunity in this nation to rectify their situation, Greg. They should not be totally excused for their own plight.
After that, I suspect you missed my acknowledgment that the poor do not know better because the schools teach them to value class warfare and the blame-game over self-reliance. If our schools taught people to take advantage of the opportunities this nation provides instead of teaching them to believe they are victims of the rich, then it would matter less what their parents did or did not teach them — wouldn’t it?
I just ignored that, B, as I doubt seriously that class warfare is in the teacher’s syllabus.
Then you are as Utah suggests: a fool.
A fool who is willing to change his mind, if you ever come up with credible evidence.
But you will not, B, because of your idiotic and incompatible beliefs that Obama is both a socialist/commie and a Muslim, as the two are at odds with one another. The USSR vs. Afghanistan comes to mind, as does the Chechnyans, who have been oppressed by whoever ran Russia since the forties.
If you do not see the similarity between Communism and Islam, it is likely because you are his child. The connection has already been made in at least 5 books that I know of (and have read). So you are just refusing to accept reality — again.
As for showing you “credible evidence,” that is another neat Progressive trick: you never recognize objective reality, so you have already set a standard NO ONE can meet.
But here, this is something that has been forced on many elementary school kids in this nation. it is pure communism/class warfare and also propaganda. The source? George Soros. And this is just for starters. There’s more:
The Story of Stuff
Are you forgetting that Soros has been instrumental in bringing several Communist regimes? He grew tired of the BS on the right, and started funding groups that would speak back to the idiocy and lies.
Soros is a great American, and that video is spot on! If you paid attention, B, you would see how she is saying many of the same things that Jesus said.
He brought them down because they believed in borders: he does not. His is a one-world order view, those nations held different ideas. besides, he also said that was a hobby.
OH! And your attempt to deflect from the issue at hand failed: my point still stands.
Those nations held different ideas, but a belief in borders is universal among countries, yet Soros concentrated on Communist countries, Co-inky-dink? Only you would think so, and only you would try to make an anti-communist look bad.
I have to wonder, B. Your arguments are stupid, your facts are mostly wrong or pieced together schizophrenically, you alienate most people; are you a liberal plant? Because you are doing their job, electing Obama, for them.
Not at all. Soros has explained this in his books — something you won’t read. He said he picked on them because they were easy.
his attempts to do the same to Britain and the U.S. have failed — so far — but then, you have conveniently left that out — haven’t you?
Oh, and Greg, I can see the numbers on how often my stuff is read as compared to yours. I think that last little snide jab of yours is jealousy and frustration — nothing more.
“I just ignored that, B, as I doubt seriously that class warfare is in the teacher’s syllabus.”
No, maybe not Greg … but it is the hallmark of the Obama narrative. (have to use the word narrative because the dolt damn sure doesn’t have a plan)
“I just ignored that, B, as I doubt seriously that class warfare is in the teacher’s syllabus.”
maybe not in the “official teacher’s syllabus”, but it definitely is in their agenda.
Melfamy, indoctrination, class warfare, misleading, inaccurate, & patently false things are being taught to our children in public schools. That is why most wealthy people & political leaders do not send their children to public schools.
No, most wealthy people are looking for the best teachers for their kids, or seeking better protection from kidnappers and paparazzi, as is the case with politicians as well.
And many are looking for an all-white school (Majority white, at least) to which to send their kids. I say that out of personal knowledge; people confess that fact to me quite freely. No one mentioned the indoctrination practiced at Communist Martyr High School, or the black pajamas kids were forced to wear.
More liberal regurgitation. He has been thoroughly indoctrinated — it’s ALL class warfare and racism with this guy.
As compared to the religious war you want to start.
Actually, I have found that those with the finances to send their kids to any school they want ( and I see lots of them daily), avoid the local schools for several reasons.
1. The want the kids to get the best education possible and become something once they finish school. Public school teachers are all incabable of providing this but they are limited by having to spend an enormous amount of time dealing with the trash in their classes.
2. They don’t want their kids to be constantly confronted with drugs………….need I say more?
3. They don’t want their kids to be subjected to bullying and having to deal with “gangsta’s”
If I had a bank account like I have now, my son would have been in a private school all 12 years, and as smart as he is, he probably could have finished in 10 years.
dusty shoots, he scores!
Besides ‘trash’, teachers have to deal with FCAT, which is time-consuming and not conducive to effective learning.
And now FCAT is a big determinant in their salary.
On this subject, Dusty, I have changed my mind. I used to like the idea of a national education system, because it was supposed to guarantee that we Americans had common grounding in our nation’s history and ideals.
But the feds only make things worse and, by being the only game in town, if their methods suck, then the whole nation suffers. We could eliminate the education Department, and let the states keep the money, instead of begging the feds to give some of it back.
Dept of Education and Dept of Energy need to be eliminated.
“As compared to the religious war you want to start.”
All I want to do is defend myself against the perpetrators of that religious war.
Sorry, Dusty, that was meant for B. I am gonna take a break, and try uncrossing my eyes.
Yeah, you might also want to re-think this notion that I want to start a war, G. I’ve been there done that and have repeatedly stated my interest is in preventing one.
But you do not do that by telling yourself your enemy is your friend. That’s how you lose a war.
Your interest is in making us all distrust a group of people, based on your imprecise reading of their religious texts. You’ve never shown the least interest in fairness on this subject. And when honest-to-god muslims tried to correct you, you pulled the old, “I can’t trust you because you are allowed to lie BS, which is one way to avoid admitting a mistake, but a terrible impediment to actually learning something about how muslims live and think. Not that you care, you want them gone, do not deny it. There is no other outcome that would please you, except muslims’ mass conversion to your style of worship of the non-existent.
“Your interest is in making us all distrust a group of people, based on your imprecise reading of their religious texts.”
Their religion ORDERS them to take out the non-believers and there are numerous examples of them attempting to do just that.
There are Jews living Egypt, Syria, and Iran. If Muslims have been ordered to kill them,then they are pretty lousy shots.
I know the minorities in these hardline countries are experiencing an outbreak of oppression, but the fact that they still live there tells me that the unpleasantness cannot be permanent, nor usually unbearable.
There are Jews living Egypt, Syria, and Iran. If Muslims have been ordered to kill them,then they are pretty lousy shots.
You just don’t tell people that there have been DOZENS of stories in the news recently about the Christians and Jews being killed in these countries — including several of those you listed for Utah as “Western-styled democracies.”
Greg, if you EVER start to admit to the WHOLE record, you might, MIGHT, start to get some credibility back — but not until you do so.
“But you do not do that by telling yourself your enemy is your friend. That’s how you lose a war.”
That is EXACTLY what OWEbozo is doing.
“As compared to the religious war you want to start.”
This is kind of dumb … even for you.
I, too, have been on the poor side of life and found a way to make my own life better. In ’76 I traveled to Minn. to see if I wanted to live somewhere different than Fla. After wayyyyyyyy to much snow and cold I returned to the “SUNSHINE” state about the middle of Dec. When I got here I had a VW bug worth about $50, an 1/8th of a tank of gas and 80 cents. I “camped out” on my parents closed in back porch and started repainting the interior of their home in exchange for the roof over my head. Within a couple weeks I was employed and never have been without a job since then.
I have since done well enough that I have experienced something that I would never have imagined I would have to deal with. I have had some “friends” resent the fact that I have been successful so much that they have done things to hurt my business and reputation. Lucky for me none have been able to prevent me from making a good living, but now we are no longer friends.
Also, the only money I have ever gotten from the govt was my paycheck when I was in the US Navy and my G I Bill when I went to college after I got out.
So you didn’t take Bush’ 2008 stimulus money?
I didn’t but I bet you did. 🙂
You would have, but your income was too high, doc.
It did not start out that way. I bussed a shit ton of tables to get through that education.
Might have gone faster had you studied instead. bada bing!
I thought you guys were against bussing! Bada BooM!
::: scatches head :::
I know you want me to laugh, but I don’t get the joke. 😦
don’t be sad, it sucked. I couldn’t decide which sillyism to go with, so I ran both of them by.
It shpuld have read, ‘ If you had studied instead of bussing tables, you may have finished school faster.” If you didn’t need an extra semester to finish college, it ain’t funny. If i had said schooling might have gone faster, it may have been funnier.
But hey, the ‘against bussing joke? scuse, please, I gotta take this call from Leno
Speaking of Leno … whoa he’s feeling a bit jilted these days.
How’s that? I haven’t seen a late night show in months
There’s been shenanigans afoot. Seems there has been layoffs on his show, and salary decreases. Word has it that he has even taken a pay cut, and has been augmenting the salaries of the staffers that remain.
I’d have to go look up the particulars, but I do remember recently reading stories to that effect.
I’d commiserate with him, if only he’d send me the plane fare.
Jimmy Kimmel is my favorite host late at night, then the Scottish guy. Conan is pretty good(I love Andy), Letterman I guess I just got tired of.
I’m never up that late to watch television any longer. Guess I am just getting too old.
Not! I have better things to attend too after 10pm. 🙂
no, sure didn’t
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Of what might I be jealous, your height? Because it damn sure ain’t your readership, and it certainly isn’t your twisted logic.